Real “Alchemical Transmutation” of Some Other Mineral Into Gold?












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While obviously you can't really transmute something like Lead into Gold (as far as I know), is there any real-life mineral or element that could be used to artificially create Gold from whatever its composite elements are? If so, what kinds of processes would you have to run the ingredients through to make Gold?






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    As background for an already-given answer, gold is an element. This means that it has no composite elements, chemically speaking.
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    Oh... Thanks, I actually didn't know that? I somehow never got put in a chemistry class in highschool, so I might have some reading to do on the subject XD
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    To be fair, this technically isn't a worldbuilding question. Compare it to this question where the "technology" of transmutation is being applied in a worldbuilding context. For future reference, that's the kind of question we prefer to see posted: one where there is a defined and specific worldbuilding application. Cheers!
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While obviously you can't really transmute something like Lead into Gold (as far as I know), is there any real-life mineral or element that could be used to artificially create Gold from whatever its composite elements are? If so, what kinds of processes would you have to run the ingredients through to make Gold?






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    – Alexander
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    As background for an already-given answer, gold is an element. This means that it has no composite elements, chemically speaking.
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    Oh... Thanks, I actually didn't know that? I somehow never got put in a chemistry class in highschool, so I might have some reading to do on the subject XD
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    To be fair, this technically isn't a worldbuilding question. Compare it to this question where the "technology" of transmutation is being applied in a worldbuilding context. For future reference, that's the kind of question we prefer to see posted: one where there is a defined and specific worldbuilding application. Cheers!
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While obviously you can't really transmute something like Lead into Gold (as far as I know), is there any real-life mineral or element that could be used to artificially create Gold from whatever its composite elements are? If so, what kinds of processes would you have to run the ingredients through to make Gold?






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While obviously you can't really transmute something like Lead into Gold (as far as I know), is there any real-life mineral or element that could be used to artificially create Gold from whatever its composite elements are? If so, what kinds of processes would you have to run the ingredients through to make Gold?






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    As background for an already-given answer, gold is an element. This means that it has no composite elements, chemically speaking.
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    – jdunlop
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    Oh... Thanks, I actually didn't know that? I somehow never got put in a chemistry class in highschool, so I might have some reading to do on the subject XD
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    To be fair, this technically isn't a worldbuilding question. Compare it to this question where the "technology" of transmutation is being applied in a worldbuilding context. For future reference, that's the kind of question we prefer to see posted: one where there is a defined and specific worldbuilding application. Cheers!
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    – Alexander
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    As background for an already-given answer, gold is an element. This means that it has no composite elements, chemically speaking.
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    – jdunlop
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    Oh... Thanks, I actually didn't know that? I somehow never got put in a chemistry class in highschool, so I might have some reading to do on the subject XD
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  • $begingroup$
    To be fair, this technically isn't a worldbuilding question. Compare it to this question where the "technology" of transmutation is being applied in a worldbuilding context. For future reference, that's the kind of question we prefer to see posted: one where there is a defined and specific worldbuilding application. Cheers!
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As background for an already-given answer, gold is an element. This means that it has no composite elements, chemically speaking.
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As background for an already-given answer, gold is an element. This means that it has no composite elements, chemically speaking.
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Oh... Thanks, I actually didn't know that? I somehow never got put in a chemistry class in highschool, so I might have some reading to do on the subject XD
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To be fair, this technically isn't a worldbuilding question. Compare it to this question where the "technology" of transmutation is being applied in a worldbuilding context. For future reference, that's the kind of question we prefer to see posted: one where there is a defined and specific worldbuilding application. Cheers!
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– JBH
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To be fair, this technically isn't a worldbuilding question. Compare it to this question where the "technology" of transmutation is being applied in a worldbuilding context. For future reference, that's the kind of question we prefer to see posted: one where there is a defined and specific worldbuilding application. Cheers!
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Changing Element A into Element B requires changing the number of protons in each atom of Element A. There is NO chemical process that can affect the number of protons in any atom.



Chemical processes can be used to concentrate or dilute gold atoms mixed among others. Chemical processes can bond or separate gold atoms locked in compounds. But no chemical process can change another element into gold.



...assuming your alchemist is honest, of course. Any charlatan worthy of the name can whip up a convincing transmutation swindle.






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    Ah! So maybe "Transmutation", in this setting, is really just a matter of Sifting Out Gold That's Already There?
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    Which is more commonly called "smelting and refining". 911metallurgist.com/blog/gold-smelting-refining-process
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    @BonnetBee Does magic exist in the setting? If so, perhaps nuclear transmutation is possible through the application of magic?
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    @ArkensteinXII - he's got the reality-check tag in place, so... probably not?
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    This is the correct answer. To make a point: we can manipulate molecules by moving elements in and out of molecular configurations - but we cannot manipulate elements other than destructively. We can take them apart (via e.g. nuclear explosions or particle accelerators), but we don't know how to put them back together again... yet.... perhaps someday there will be technomages. And then gold will be worthless.
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While it is impossible to transmute any element into another by chemical means, it is entirely possible to do it via nuclear means.



In fact, Glenn T. Seaborg in 1980 was able to transmute several thousand atoms of bismuth into gold, however at a net loss economically speaking (the cost of equipment, energy, and bismuth was greater than the value of the gold.)






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    "At a net loss", I rather expect, is a major understatement. Gold's highest value in 1980 was $850/ounce, or ~$28/gram. Assuming ten thousand atoms, the value of the created gold would be 3.3 * 10^-18g * $28/g or approximately a hundred trillionth of a cent. Also, the majority of the transmuted gold was radioactive and would have decayed over the course of the next year.
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    You get better results when you expose Hg 196 to a high neutron flux. It would create Hg 197, and EC into Au 197, which is stable. But again, would be ridiculously expensive to create a sufficient quantity of it. Especially since Hg196 represents 0.15% of naturally occurring mercury
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Given your response to existing answers, I have a potentially showy solution for your would-be alchemist:




Calavarite (naturally occurring gold telluride)



Calavarite crystal



It's uncommon in real life, but could be unusually common for whatever reason in the vicinity of wherever this feat is to take place.



Your would-be alchemist/wizard is dropping fancy stones into vitriol, as one does, to see what happens. To his shock, a gleam of gold starts to form as the liquid turns red. He has discovered the Philosopher's Stone!



(He has not. But it's a good way to get more research money from the local royalty!)






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    This is the correct answer.
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    @Gimelist : ^ No it's not : The question was "is there any real-life mineral or element that could be used to artificially create Gold" this answer doesn't answer that question, it suggests a source of gold that gold can be extracted from, & the question wasn't "name an ore that gold can be smelted from" : it's a nice response to the question but to call it the "correct" answer, is not correct.
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    @Pelinore no - because "gold telluride" does not equal "gold". Just like hydrogen does not equal water. So you're taking "some mineral", being gold telluride (= not gold), and you process it somehow to turn it into gold from "whatever its composite elements are", which happen to be gold and tellurium. There was no condition that gold cannot be a component of the mineral.
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    @Gimelist : all I can say is kindly read the question again & check the definitions of the words "create" & "extract" then reconsider.
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    @Pelinore to the "man on the street", or someone in a medieval society with no knowledge of 20th and 21st century chemistry, the distinction in meaningless. When you look at the history of element discovery, many elements were "discovered" only to be later realised to contain a combination of elements. The lanthanides are an excellent example of that.
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Changing Element A into Element B requires changing the number of protons in each atom of Element A. There is NO chemical process that can affect the number of protons in any atom.



Chemical processes can be used to concentrate or dilute gold atoms mixed among others. Chemical processes can bond or separate gold atoms locked in compounds. But no chemical process can change another element into gold.



...assuming your alchemist is honest, of course. Any charlatan worthy of the name can whip up a convincing transmutation swindle.






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    Ah! So maybe "Transmutation", in this setting, is really just a matter of Sifting Out Gold That's Already There?
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    Which is more commonly called "smelting and refining". 911metallurgist.com/blog/gold-smelting-refining-process
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    @BonnetBee Does magic exist in the setting? If so, perhaps nuclear transmutation is possible through the application of magic?
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    @ArkensteinXII - he's got the reality-check tag in place, so... probably not?
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    This is the correct answer. To make a point: we can manipulate molecules by moving elements in and out of molecular configurations - but we cannot manipulate elements other than destructively. We can take them apart (via e.g. nuclear explosions or particle accelerators), but we don't know how to put them back together again... yet.... perhaps someday there will be technomages. And then gold will be worthless.
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Changing Element A into Element B requires changing the number of protons in each atom of Element A. There is NO chemical process that can affect the number of protons in any atom.



Chemical processes can be used to concentrate or dilute gold atoms mixed among others. Chemical processes can bond or separate gold atoms locked in compounds. But no chemical process can change another element into gold.



...assuming your alchemist is honest, of course. Any charlatan worthy of the name can whip up a convincing transmutation swindle.






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    Ah! So maybe "Transmutation", in this setting, is really just a matter of Sifting Out Gold That's Already There?
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    – BonnetBee
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    Which is more commonly called "smelting and refining". 911metallurgist.com/blog/gold-smelting-refining-process
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    @BonnetBee Does magic exist in the setting? If so, perhaps nuclear transmutation is possible through the application of magic?
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    @ArkensteinXII - he's got the reality-check tag in place, so... probably not?
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    This is the correct answer. To make a point: we can manipulate molecules by moving elements in and out of molecular configurations - but we cannot manipulate elements other than destructively. We can take them apart (via e.g. nuclear explosions or particle accelerators), but we don't know how to put them back together again... yet.... perhaps someday there will be technomages. And then gold will be worthless.
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Changing Element A into Element B requires changing the number of protons in each atom of Element A. There is NO chemical process that can affect the number of protons in any atom.



Chemical processes can be used to concentrate or dilute gold atoms mixed among others. Chemical processes can bond or separate gold atoms locked in compounds. But no chemical process can change another element into gold.



...assuming your alchemist is honest, of course. Any charlatan worthy of the name can whip up a convincing transmutation swindle.






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Changing Element A into Element B requires changing the number of protons in each atom of Element A. There is NO chemical process that can affect the number of protons in any atom.



Chemical processes can be used to concentrate or dilute gold atoms mixed among others. Chemical processes can bond or separate gold atoms locked in compounds. But no chemical process can change another element into gold.



...assuming your alchemist is honest, of course. Any charlatan worthy of the name can whip up a convincing transmutation swindle.







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    Ah! So maybe "Transmutation", in this setting, is really just a matter of Sifting Out Gold That's Already There?
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    Which is more commonly called "smelting and refining". 911metallurgist.com/blog/gold-smelting-refining-process
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    @BonnetBee Does magic exist in the setting? If so, perhaps nuclear transmutation is possible through the application of magic?
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    @ArkensteinXII - he's got the reality-check tag in place, so... probably not?
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    This is the correct answer. To make a point: we can manipulate molecules by moving elements in and out of molecular configurations - but we cannot manipulate elements other than destructively. We can take them apart (via e.g. nuclear explosions or particle accelerators), but we don't know how to put them back together again... yet.... perhaps someday there will be technomages. And then gold will be worthless.
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    Ah! So maybe "Transmutation", in this setting, is really just a matter of Sifting Out Gold That's Already There?
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    – BonnetBee
    5 hours ago






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    Which is more commonly called "smelting and refining". 911metallurgist.com/blog/gold-smelting-refining-process
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    @BonnetBee Does magic exist in the setting? If so, perhaps nuclear transmutation is possible through the application of magic?
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    @ArkensteinXII - he's got the reality-check tag in place, so... probably not?
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    This is the correct answer. To make a point: we can manipulate molecules by moving elements in and out of molecular configurations - but we cannot manipulate elements other than destructively. We can take them apart (via e.g. nuclear explosions or particle accelerators), but we don't know how to put them back together again... yet.... perhaps someday there will be technomages. And then gold will be worthless.
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Ah! So maybe "Transmutation", in this setting, is really just a matter of Sifting Out Gold That's Already There?
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– BonnetBee
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– BonnetBee
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Which is more commonly called "smelting and refining". 911metallurgist.com/blog/gold-smelting-refining-process
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Which is more commonly called "smelting and refining". 911metallurgist.com/blog/gold-smelting-refining-process
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@BonnetBee Does magic exist in the setting? If so, perhaps nuclear transmutation is possible through the application of magic?
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@ArkensteinXII - he's got the reality-check tag in place, so... probably not?
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This is the correct answer. To make a point: we can manipulate molecules by moving elements in and out of molecular configurations - but we cannot manipulate elements other than destructively. We can take them apart (via e.g. nuclear explosions or particle accelerators), but we don't know how to put them back together again... yet.... perhaps someday there will be technomages. And then gold will be worthless.
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This is the correct answer. To make a point: we can manipulate molecules by moving elements in and out of molecular configurations - but we cannot manipulate elements other than destructively. We can take them apart (via e.g. nuclear explosions or particle accelerators), but we don't know how to put them back together again... yet.... perhaps someday there will be technomages. And then gold will be worthless.
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While it is impossible to transmute any element into another by chemical means, it is entirely possible to do it via nuclear means.



In fact, Glenn T. Seaborg in 1980 was able to transmute several thousand atoms of bismuth into gold, however at a net loss economically speaking (the cost of equipment, energy, and bismuth was greater than the value of the gold.)






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    "At a net loss", I rather expect, is a major understatement. Gold's highest value in 1980 was $850/ounce, or ~$28/gram. Assuming ten thousand atoms, the value of the created gold would be 3.3 * 10^-18g * $28/g or approximately a hundred trillionth of a cent. Also, the majority of the transmuted gold was radioactive and would have decayed over the course of the next year.
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    You get better results when you expose Hg 196 to a high neutron flux. It would create Hg 197, and EC into Au 197, which is stable. But again, would be ridiculously expensive to create a sufficient quantity of it. Especially since Hg196 represents 0.15% of naturally occurring mercury
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While it is impossible to transmute any element into another by chemical means, it is entirely possible to do it via nuclear means.



In fact, Glenn T. Seaborg in 1980 was able to transmute several thousand atoms of bismuth into gold, however at a net loss economically speaking (the cost of equipment, energy, and bismuth was greater than the value of the gold.)






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    "At a net loss", I rather expect, is a major understatement. Gold's highest value in 1980 was $850/ounce, or ~$28/gram. Assuming ten thousand atoms, the value of the created gold would be 3.3 * 10^-18g * $28/g or approximately a hundred trillionth of a cent. Also, the majority of the transmuted gold was radioactive and would have decayed over the course of the next year.
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    You get better results when you expose Hg 196 to a high neutron flux. It would create Hg 197, and EC into Au 197, which is stable. But again, would be ridiculously expensive to create a sufficient quantity of it. Especially since Hg196 represents 0.15% of naturally occurring mercury
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While it is impossible to transmute any element into another by chemical means, it is entirely possible to do it via nuclear means.



In fact, Glenn T. Seaborg in 1980 was able to transmute several thousand atoms of bismuth into gold, however at a net loss economically speaking (the cost of equipment, energy, and bismuth was greater than the value of the gold.)






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While it is impossible to transmute any element into another by chemical means, it is entirely possible to do it via nuclear means.



In fact, Glenn T. Seaborg in 1980 was able to transmute several thousand atoms of bismuth into gold, however at a net loss economically speaking (the cost of equipment, energy, and bismuth was greater than the value of the gold.)







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    "At a net loss", I rather expect, is a major understatement. Gold's highest value in 1980 was $850/ounce, or ~$28/gram. Assuming ten thousand atoms, the value of the created gold would be 3.3 * 10^-18g * $28/g or approximately a hundred trillionth of a cent. Also, the majority of the transmuted gold was radioactive and would have decayed over the course of the next year.
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    – jdunlop
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    You get better results when you expose Hg 196 to a high neutron flux. It would create Hg 197, and EC into Au 197, which is stable. But again, would be ridiculously expensive to create a sufficient quantity of it. Especially since Hg196 represents 0.15% of naturally occurring mercury
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    – sonvar
    2 hours ago
















  • 3




    $begingroup$
    "At a net loss", I rather expect, is a major understatement. Gold's highest value in 1980 was $850/ounce, or ~$28/gram. Assuming ten thousand atoms, the value of the created gold would be 3.3 * 10^-18g * $28/g or approximately a hundred trillionth of a cent. Also, the majority of the transmuted gold was radioactive and would have decayed over the course of the next year.
    $endgroup$
    – jdunlop
    5 hours ago












  • $begingroup$
    You get better results when you expose Hg 196 to a high neutron flux. It would create Hg 197, and EC into Au 197, which is stable. But again, would be ridiculously expensive to create a sufficient quantity of it. Especially since Hg196 represents 0.15% of naturally occurring mercury
    $endgroup$
    – sonvar
    2 hours ago










3




3




$begingroup$
"At a net loss", I rather expect, is a major understatement. Gold's highest value in 1980 was $850/ounce, or ~$28/gram. Assuming ten thousand atoms, the value of the created gold would be 3.3 * 10^-18g * $28/g or approximately a hundred trillionth of a cent. Also, the majority of the transmuted gold was radioactive and would have decayed over the course of the next year.
$endgroup$
– jdunlop
5 hours ago






$begingroup$
"At a net loss", I rather expect, is a major understatement. Gold's highest value in 1980 was $850/ounce, or ~$28/gram. Assuming ten thousand atoms, the value of the created gold would be 3.3 * 10^-18g * $28/g or approximately a hundred trillionth of a cent. Also, the majority of the transmuted gold was radioactive and would have decayed over the course of the next year.
$endgroup$
– jdunlop
5 hours ago














$begingroup$
You get better results when you expose Hg 196 to a high neutron flux. It would create Hg 197, and EC into Au 197, which is stable. But again, would be ridiculously expensive to create a sufficient quantity of it. Especially since Hg196 represents 0.15% of naturally occurring mercury
$endgroup$
– sonvar
2 hours ago






$begingroup$
You get better results when you expose Hg 196 to a high neutron flux. It would create Hg 197, and EC into Au 197, which is stable. But again, would be ridiculously expensive to create a sufficient quantity of it. Especially since Hg196 represents 0.15% of naturally occurring mercury
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– sonvar
2 hours ago













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Given your response to existing answers, I have a potentially showy solution for your would-be alchemist:




Calavarite (naturally occurring gold telluride)



Calavarite crystal



It's uncommon in real life, but could be unusually common for whatever reason in the vicinity of wherever this feat is to take place.



Your would-be alchemist/wizard is dropping fancy stones into vitriol, as one does, to see what happens. To his shock, a gleam of gold starts to form as the liquid turns red. He has discovered the Philosopher's Stone!



(He has not. But it's a good way to get more research money from the local royalty!)






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    This is the correct answer.
    $endgroup$
    – Gimelist
    4 hours ago






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    @Gimelist : ^ No it's not : The question was "is there any real-life mineral or element that could be used to artificially create Gold" this answer doesn't answer that question, it suggests a source of gold that gold can be extracted from, & the question wasn't "name an ore that gold can be smelted from" : it's a nice response to the question but to call it the "correct" answer, is not correct.
    $endgroup$
    – Pelinore
    3 hours ago












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    @Pelinore no - because "gold telluride" does not equal "gold". Just like hydrogen does not equal water. So you're taking "some mineral", being gold telluride (= not gold), and you process it somehow to turn it into gold from "whatever its composite elements are", which happen to be gold and tellurium. There was no condition that gold cannot be a component of the mineral.
    $endgroup$
    – Gimelist
    3 hours ago






  • 1




    $begingroup$
    @Gimelist : all I can say is kindly read the question again & check the definitions of the words "create" & "extract" then reconsider.
    $endgroup$
    – Pelinore
    3 hours ago










  • $begingroup$
    @Pelinore to the "man on the street", or someone in a medieval society with no knowledge of 20th and 21st century chemistry, the distinction in meaningless. When you look at the history of element discovery, many elements were "discovered" only to be later realised to contain a combination of elements. The lanthanides are an excellent example of that.
    $endgroup$
    – Gimelist
    2 hours ago
















1












$begingroup$

Given your response to existing answers, I have a potentially showy solution for your would-be alchemist:




Calavarite (naturally occurring gold telluride)



Calavarite crystal



It's uncommon in real life, but could be unusually common for whatever reason in the vicinity of wherever this feat is to take place.



Your would-be alchemist/wizard is dropping fancy stones into vitriol, as one does, to see what happens. To his shock, a gleam of gold starts to form as the liquid turns red. He has discovered the Philosopher's Stone!



(He has not. But it's a good way to get more research money from the local royalty!)






share|improve this answer











$endgroup$













  • $begingroup$
    This is the correct answer.
    $endgroup$
    – Gimelist
    4 hours ago






  • 1




    $begingroup$
    @Gimelist : ^ No it's not : The question was "is there any real-life mineral or element that could be used to artificially create Gold" this answer doesn't answer that question, it suggests a source of gold that gold can be extracted from, & the question wasn't "name an ore that gold can be smelted from" : it's a nice response to the question but to call it the "correct" answer, is not correct.
    $endgroup$
    – Pelinore
    3 hours ago












  • $begingroup$
    @Pelinore no - because "gold telluride" does not equal "gold". Just like hydrogen does not equal water. So you're taking "some mineral", being gold telluride (= not gold), and you process it somehow to turn it into gold from "whatever its composite elements are", which happen to be gold and tellurium. There was no condition that gold cannot be a component of the mineral.
    $endgroup$
    – Gimelist
    3 hours ago






  • 1




    $begingroup$
    @Gimelist : all I can say is kindly read the question again & check the definitions of the words "create" & "extract" then reconsider.
    $endgroup$
    – Pelinore
    3 hours ago










  • $begingroup$
    @Pelinore to the "man on the street", or someone in a medieval society with no knowledge of 20th and 21st century chemistry, the distinction in meaningless. When you look at the history of element discovery, many elements were "discovered" only to be later realised to contain a combination of elements. The lanthanides are an excellent example of that.
    $endgroup$
    – Gimelist
    2 hours ago














1












1








1





$begingroup$

Given your response to existing answers, I have a potentially showy solution for your would-be alchemist:




Calavarite (naturally occurring gold telluride)



Calavarite crystal



It's uncommon in real life, but could be unusually common for whatever reason in the vicinity of wherever this feat is to take place.



Your would-be alchemist/wizard is dropping fancy stones into vitriol, as one does, to see what happens. To his shock, a gleam of gold starts to form as the liquid turns red. He has discovered the Philosopher's Stone!



(He has not. But it's a good way to get more research money from the local royalty!)






share|improve this answer











$endgroup$



Given your response to existing answers, I have a potentially showy solution for your would-be alchemist:




Calavarite (naturally occurring gold telluride)



Calavarite crystal



It's uncommon in real life, but could be unusually common for whatever reason in the vicinity of wherever this feat is to take place.



Your would-be alchemist/wizard is dropping fancy stones into vitriol, as one does, to see what happens. To his shock, a gleam of gold starts to form as the liquid turns red. He has discovered the Philosopher's Stone!



(He has not. But it's a good way to get more research money from the local royalty!)







share|improve this answer














share|improve this answer



share|improve this answer








edited 3 hours ago









Gimelist

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answered 4 hours ago









jdunlopjdunlop

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  • $begingroup$
    This is the correct answer.
    $endgroup$
    – Gimelist
    4 hours ago






  • 1




    $begingroup$
    @Gimelist : ^ No it's not : The question was "is there any real-life mineral or element that could be used to artificially create Gold" this answer doesn't answer that question, it suggests a source of gold that gold can be extracted from, & the question wasn't "name an ore that gold can be smelted from" : it's a nice response to the question but to call it the "correct" answer, is not correct.
    $endgroup$
    – Pelinore
    3 hours ago












  • $begingroup$
    @Pelinore no - because "gold telluride" does not equal "gold". Just like hydrogen does not equal water. So you're taking "some mineral", being gold telluride (= not gold), and you process it somehow to turn it into gold from "whatever its composite elements are", which happen to be gold and tellurium. There was no condition that gold cannot be a component of the mineral.
    $endgroup$
    – Gimelist
    3 hours ago






  • 1




    $begingroup$
    @Gimelist : all I can say is kindly read the question again & check the definitions of the words "create" & "extract" then reconsider.
    $endgroup$
    – Pelinore
    3 hours ago










  • $begingroup$
    @Pelinore to the "man on the street", or someone in a medieval society with no knowledge of 20th and 21st century chemistry, the distinction in meaningless. When you look at the history of element discovery, many elements were "discovered" only to be later realised to contain a combination of elements. The lanthanides are an excellent example of that.
    $endgroup$
    – Gimelist
    2 hours ago


















  • $begingroup$
    This is the correct answer.
    $endgroup$
    – Gimelist
    4 hours ago






  • 1




    $begingroup$
    @Gimelist : ^ No it's not : The question was "is there any real-life mineral or element that could be used to artificially create Gold" this answer doesn't answer that question, it suggests a source of gold that gold can be extracted from, & the question wasn't "name an ore that gold can be smelted from" : it's a nice response to the question but to call it the "correct" answer, is not correct.
    $endgroup$
    – Pelinore
    3 hours ago












  • $begingroup$
    @Pelinore no - because "gold telluride" does not equal "gold". Just like hydrogen does not equal water. So you're taking "some mineral", being gold telluride (= not gold), and you process it somehow to turn it into gold from "whatever its composite elements are", which happen to be gold and tellurium. There was no condition that gold cannot be a component of the mineral.
    $endgroup$
    – Gimelist
    3 hours ago






  • 1




    $begingroup$
    @Gimelist : all I can say is kindly read the question again & check the definitions of the words "create" & "extract" then reconsider.
    $endgroup$
    – Pelinore
    3 hours ago










  • $begingroup$
    @Pelinore to the "man on the street", or someone in a medieval society with no knowledge of 20th and 21st century chemistry, the distinction in meaningless. When you look at the history of element discovery, many elements were "discovered" only to be later realised to contain a combination of elements. The lanthanides are an excellent example of that.
    $endgroup$
    – Gimelist
    2 hours ago
















$begingroup$
This is the correct answer.
$endgroup$
– Gimelist
4 hours ago




$begingroup$
This is the correct answer.
$endgroup$
– Gimelist
4 hours ago




1




1




$begingroup$
@Gimelist : ^ No it's not : The question was "is there any real-life mineral or element that could be used to artificially create Gold" this answer doesn't answer that question, it suggests a source of gold that gold can be extracted from, & the question wasn't "name an ore that gold can be smelted from" : it's a nice response to the question but to call it the "correct" answer, is not correct.
$endgroup$
– Pelinore
3 hours ago






$begingroup$
@Gimelist : ^ No it's not : The question was "is there any real-life mineral or element that could be used to artificially create Gold" this answer doesn't answer that question, it suggests a source of gold that gold can be extracted from, & the question wasn't "name an ore that gold can be smelted from" : it's a nice response to the question but to call it the "correct" answer, is not correct.
$endgroup$
– Pelinore
3 hours ago














$begingroup$
@Pelinore no - because "gold telluride" does not equal "gold". Just like hydrogen does not equal water. So you're taking "some mineral", being gold telluride (= not gold), and you process it somehow to turn it into gold from "whatever its composite elements are", which happen to be gold and tellurium. There was no condition that gold cannot be a component of the mineral.
$endgroup$
– Gimelist
3 hours ago




$begingroup$
@Pelinore no - because "gold telluride" does not equal "gold". Just like hydrogen does not equal water. So you're taking "some mineral", being gold telluride (= not gold), and you process it somehow to turn it into gold from "whatever its composite elements are", which happen to be gold and tellurium. There was no condition that gold cannot be a component of the mineral.
$endgroup$
– Gimelist
3 hours ago




1




1




$begingroup$
@Gimelist : all I can say is kindly read the question again & check the definitions of the words "create" & "extract" then reconsider.
$endgroup$
– Pelinore
3 hours ago




$begingroup$
@Gimelist : all I can say is kindly read the question again & check the definitions of the words "create" & "extract" then reconsider.
$endgroup$
– Pelinore
3 hours ago












$begingroup$
@Pelinore to the "man on the street", or someone in a medieval society with no knowledge of 20th and 21st century chemistry, the distinction in meaningless. When you look at the history of element discovery, many elements were "discovered" only to be later realised to contain a combination of elements. The lanthanides are an excellent example of that.
$endgroup$
– Gimelist
2 hours ago




$begingroup$
@Pelinore to the "man on the street", or someone in a medieval society with no knowledge of 20th and 21st century chemistry, the distinction in meaningless. When you look at the history of element discovery, many elements were "discovered" only to be later realised to contain a combination of elements. The lanthanides are an excellent example of that.
$endgroup$
– Gimelist
2 hours ago


















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