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This Forbes article from 2013 (archive link here) with the headline "Majority Of Scientists Skeptical Of Global Warming Crisis" gets brandied around a lot. It states that




Only 36 percent of geoscientists and engineers believe that humans are
creating a global warming crisis, according to a survey reported in
the peer-reviewed Organization Studies. By contrast, a strong majority
of the 1,077 respondents believe that nature is the primary cause of
recent global warming and/or that future global warming will not be a
very serious problem.




Also, 14% of the respondents replied that :




“they strongly disagree that climate change poses any significant
public risk and see no impact on their personal lives.”




The article is reporting the paper Lefsrud and Meyer (2012) "Science or Science Fiction? Professionals’ Discursive Construction of Climate Change", Organization Studies, 33(11), pp. 1477–1506.



I want to know if that article has been refuted anywhere, and (if the information is misleading), how can a layperson recognize that, given that its published in such a renowned magazine.










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    I believe this question should be closed, as the quotes do not match the premise of the question. The question (from the title) relates to "climate change is not real", but the quotes relate to whether or not climate change is caused by humans and/or whether the impact of it will be significant. The quotes do not dispute whether or not climate change is real. Furthermore, I think the title has a typo and should read "contradict the accepted position that climate change is real" (i.e. remove the word "not").
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    What do you mean by "the accepted position that climate change is not real"?
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$begingroup$


This Forbes article from 2013 (archive link here) with the headline "Majority Of Scientists Skeptical Of Global Warming Crisis" gets brandied around a lot. It states that




Only 36 percent of geoscientists and engineers believe that humans are
creating a global warming crisis, according to a survey reported in
the peer-reviewed Organization Studies. By contrast, a strong majority
of the 1,077 respondents believe that nature is the primary cause of
recent global warming and/or that future global warming will not be a
very serious problem.




Also, 14% of the respondents replied that :




“they strongly disagree that climate change poses any significant
public risk and see no impact on their personal lives.”




The article is reporting the paper Lefsrud and Meyer (2012) "Science or Science Fiction? Professionals’ Discursive Construction of Climate Change", Organization Studies, 33(11), pp. 1477–1506.



I want to know if that article has been refuted anywhere, and (if the information is misleading), how can a layperson recognize that, given that its published in such a renowned magazine.










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    I believe this question should be closed, as the quotes do not match the premise of the question. The question (from the title) relates to "climate change is not real", but the quotes relate to whether or not climate change is caused by humans and/or whether the impact of it will be significant. The quotes do not dispute whether or not climate change is real. Furthermore, I think the title has a typo and should read "contradict the accepted position that climate change is real" (i.e. remove the word "not").
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    – JBentley
    12 hours ago








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    Perhaps this is better over at the Skeptics SE?
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    – BruceWayne
    11 hours ago






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    What do you mean by "the accepted position that climate change is not real"?
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$begingroup$


This Forbes article from 2013 (archive link here) with the headline "Majority Of Scientists Skeptical Of Global Warming Crisis" gets brandied around a lot. It states that




Only 36 percent of geoscientists and engineers believe that humans are
creating a global warming crisis, according to a survey reported in
the peer-reviewed Organization Studies. By contrast, a strong majority
of the 1,077 respondents believe that nature is the primary cause of
recent global warming and/or that future global warming will not be a
very serious problem.




Also, 14% of the respondents replied that :




“they strongly disagree that climate change poses any significant
public risk and see no impact on their personal lives.”




The article is reporting the paper Lefsrud and Meyer (2012) "Science or Science Fiction? Professionals’ Discursive Construction of Climate Change", Organization Studies, 33(11), pp. 1477–1506.



I want to know if that article has been refuted anywhere, and (if the information is misleading), how can a layperson recognize that, given that its published in such a renowned magazine.










share|improve this question











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This Forbes article from 2013 (archive link here) with the headline "Majority Of Scientists Skeptical Of Global Warming Crisis" gets brandied around a lot. It states that




Only 36 percent of geoscientists and engineers believe that humans are
creating a global warming crisis, according to a survey reported in
the peer-reviewed Organization Studies. By contrast, a strong majority
of the 1,077 respondents believe that nature is the primary cause of
recent global warming and/or that future global warming will not be a
very serious problem.




Also, 14% of the respondents replied that :




“they strongly disagree that climate change poses any significant
public risk and see no impact on their personal lives.”




The article is reporting the paper Lefsrud and Meyer (2012) "Science or Science Fiction? Professionals’ Discursive Construction of Climate Change", Organization Studies, 33(11), pp. 1477–1506.



I want to know if that article has been refuted anywhere, and (if the information is misleading), how can a layperson recognize that, given that its published in such a renowned magazine.







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    I believe this question should be closed, as the quotes do not match the premise of the question. The question (from the title) relates to "climate change is not real", but the quotes relate to whether or not climate change is caused by humans and/or whether the impact of it will be significant. The quotes do not dispute whether or not climate change is real. Furthermore, I think the title has a typo and should read "contradict the accepted position that climate change is real" (i.e. remove the word "not").
    $endgroup$
    – JBentley
    12 hours ago








  • 5




    $begingroup$
    Perhaps this is better over at the Skeptics SE?
    $endgroup$
    – BruceWayne
    11 hours ago






  • 3




    $begingroup$
    What do you mean by "the accepted position that climate change is not real"?
    $endgroup$
    – Pedro A
    5 hours ago














  • 6




    $begingroup$
    I believe this question should be closed, as the quotes do not match the premise of the question. The question (from the title) relates to "climate change is not real", but the quotes relate to whether or not climate change is caused by humans and/or whether the impact of it will be significant. The quotes do not dispute whether or not climate change is real. Furthermore, I think the title has a typo and should read "contradict the accepted position that climate change is real" (i.e. remove the word "not").
    $endgroup$
    – JBentley
    12 hours ago








  • 5




    $begingroup$
    Perhaps this is better over at the Skeptics SE?
    $endgroup$
    – BruceWayne
    11 hours ago






  • 3




    $begingroup$
    What do you mean by "the accepted position that climate change is not real"?
    $endgroup$
    – Pedro A
    5 hours ago








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I believe this question should be closed, as the quotes do not match the premise of the question. The question (from the title) relates to "climate change is not real", but the quotes relate to whether or not climate change is caused by humans and/or whether the impact of it will be significant. The quotes do not dispute whether or not climate change is real. Furthermore, I think the title has a typo and should read "contradict the accepted position that climate change is real" (i.e. remove the word "not").
$endgroup$
– JBentley
12 hours ago






$begingroup$
I believe this question should be closed, as the quotes do not match the premise of the question. The question (from the title) relates to "climate change is not real", but the quotes relate to whether or not climate change is caused by humans and/or whether the impact of it will be significant. The quotes do not dispute whether or not climate change is real. Furthermore, I think the title has a typo and should read "contradict the accepted position that climate change is real" (i.e. remove the word "not").
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– JBentley
12 hours ago






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Perhaps this is better over at the Skeptics SE?
$endgroup$
– BruceWayne
11 hours ago




$begingroup$
Perhaps this is better over at the Skeptics SE?
$endgroup$
– BruceWayne
11 hours ago




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What do you mean by "the accepted position that climate change is not real"?
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– Pedro A
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What do you mean by "the accepted position that climate change is not real"?
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I want to know if that article has been refuted anywhere




Yes. You can read all about it in this blog post.



In short, the original paper was designed to test the view of "professional geologists", which in this case are members of the Association of Professional Engineers and Geoscientists of Alberta. The vast majority of them work in the fossil fuel industry. Therefore, those are people whose livelihood depends on the extraction of fossils fuels. This is not exactly the most unbiased crowd...



The article by James Taylor is spinning the original study into claiming that it applies to all geoscientists. The original authors of the study actually replied to Taylor's article saying:




First and foremost, our study is not a representative survey. Although
our data set is large and diverse enough for our research questions,
it cannot be used for generalizations such as “respondents believe …”
or “scientists don’t believe …”




(This is taken from a secondary source here)



In short, the article is not from "Forbes". It was published in Forbes, but written by a lying climate denier. He has misinterpreted the original study, as evident by two independent analyses and by the reply of the authors themselves.



So to answer your question:




Does this peer-reviewed study contradict the accepted position that climate change is not real?




This peer-reviewed study does not contradict anything. Climate change is overwhelmingly accepted by all scientists. What this peer-reviewed study shows is that those who deny the realities of climate change are those employed by the fossil fuel industry, particularly people in top management positions.





I will finish with some anecdotes. I am a geoscientist at a top Australian University. Every single one of the scientists here accept the climate change is a major threat to modern human civilisation as we know it. In a previous university where many people were involved with fossil fuel research, people accepted the realities of climate change. They were involved with the research because they either tried to find better ways of fossil fuels (realising that renewables are not there yet, and nuclear is unfortunately not an option), or because they have to pay their rent and feed their children. None denied that climate change is real, and none denied that the fossil fuel industry is the leading cause of it. We geoscientists all understand that the major driving force of the fossil fuel industry and climate change denialism is political, financial (usually old white rich men who don't care about anything but their own monetary benefit) and not scientific.






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    @SSight3 of course. Here, have three different sources! one two three. Thank you for asking.
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    @SSight3 grant funding works the opposite to “vested interests”. You first ask for money, then you get it, then you can do pretty much whatever. You are not expected to produce a certain result. Success in future grants is based on how good your scientific method was, and if you managed o discover something new and exciting. Therefore, the field is constantly evolving. And I reserve to use hyperboles as much as I wish.
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    @SSight3 I am not discrediting the study. The study correctly showed that people employed by the fossil fuel industry tend to disagree that climate change is anthropogenic. The Forbes article generalised this to all scientists. This is wrong. The authors of the study said this is wrong. There is nothing mixed here.
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    @SSight3 why does it matter? The opinion of climate scientists is the one that matters. Just as you wouldn’t trust a climate scientist to design an oil rig, you shouldn’t trust a petroleum engineer who dismisses ACC.
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    @SSight3: Your claim (in the first comment) that "the concept of global warming was proposed by Maurice Strong at the UN" is absolutely wrong. The first work on global warming was done by Svante Arrhenius en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Svante_Arrhenius and published around the turn of the 20th century, decades before the UN existed.
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I want to know if that article has been refuted anywhere




Yes. You can read all about it in this blog post.



In short, the original paper was designed to test the view of "professional geologists", which in this case are members of the Association of Professional Engineers and Geoscientists of Alberta. The vast majority of them work in the fossil fuel industry. Therefore, those are people whose livelihood depends on the extraction of fossils fuels. This is not exactly the most unbiased crowd...



The article by James Taylor is spinning the original study into claiming that it applies to all geoscientists. The original authors of the study actually replied to Taylor's article saying:




First and foremost, our study is not a representative survey. Although
our data set is large and diverse enough for our research questions,
it cannot be used for generalizations such as “respondents believe …”
or “scientists don’t believe …”




(This is taken from a secondary source here)



In short, the article is not from "Forbes". It was published in Forbes, but written by a lying climate denier. He has misinterpreted the original study, as evident by two independent analyses and by the reply of the authors themselves.



So to answer your question:




Does this peer-reviewed study contradict the accepted position that climate change is not real?




This peer-reviewed study does not contradict anything. Climate change is overwhelmingly accepted by all scientists. What this peer-reviewed study shows is that those who deny the realities of climate change are those employed by the fossil fuel industry, particularly people in top management positions.





I will finish with some anecdotes. I am a geoscientist at a top Australian University. Every single one of the scientists here accept the climate change is a major threat to modern human civilisation as we know it. In a previous university where many people were involved with fossil fuel research, people accepted the realities of climate change. They were involved with the research because they either tried to find better ways of fossil fuels (realising that renewables are not there yet, and nuclear is unfortunately not an option), or because they have to pay their rent and feed their children. None denied that climate change is real, and none denied that the fossil fuel industry is the leading cause of it. We geoscientists all understand that the major driving force of the fossil fuel industry and climate change denialism is political, financial (usually old white rich men who don't care about anything but their own monetary benefit) and not scientific.






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    @SSight3 of course. Here, have three different sources! one two three. Thank you for asking.
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    – Gimelist
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    @SSight3 grant funding works the opposite to “vested interests”. You first ask for money, then you get it, then you can do pretty much whatever. You are not expected to produce a certain result. Success in future grants is based on how good your scientific method was, and if you managed o discover something new and exciting. Therefore, the field is constantly evolving. And I reserve to use hyperboles as much as I wish.
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    @SSight3 I am not discrediting the study. The study correctly showed that people employed by the fossil fuel industry tend to disagree that climate change is anthropogenic. The Forbes article generalised this to all scientists. This is wrong. The authors of the study said this is wrong. There is nothing mixed here.
    $endgroup$
    – Gimelist
    13 hours ago






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    $begingroup$
    @SSight3 why does it matter? The opinion of climate scientists is the one that matters. Just as you wouldn’t trust a climate scientist to design an oil rig, you shouldn’t trust a petroleum engineer who dismisses ACC.
    $endgroup$
    – Gimelist
    13 hours ago






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    @SSight3: Your claim (in the first comment) that "the concept of global warming was proposed by Maurice Strong at the UN" is absolutely wrong. The first work on global warming was done by Svante Arrhenius en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Svante_Arrhenius and published around the turn of the 20th century, decades before the UN existed.
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I want to know if that article has been refuted anywhere




Yes. You can read all about it in this blog post.



In short, the original paper was designed to test the view of "professional geologists", which in this case are members of the Association of Professional Engineers and Geoscientists of Alberta. The vast majority of them work in the fossil fuel industry. Therefore, those are people whose livelihood depends on the extraction of fossils fuels. This is not exactly the most unbiased crowd...



The article by James Taylor is spinning the original study into claiming that it applies to all geoscientists. The original authors of the study actually replied to Taylor's article saying:




First and foremost, our study is not a representative survey. Although
our data set is large and diverse enough for our research questions,
it cannot be used for generalizations such as “respondents believe …”
or “scientists don’t believe …”




(This is taken from a secondary source here)



In short, the article is not from "Forbes". It was published in Forbes, but written by a lying climate denier. He has misinterpreted the original study, as evident by two independent analyses and by the reply of the authors themselves.



So to answer your question:




Does this peer-reviewed study contradict the accepted position that climate change is not real?




This peer-reviewed study does not contradict anything. Climate change is overwhelmingly accepted by all scientists. What this peer-reviewed study shows is that those who deny the realities of climate change are those employed by the fossil fuel industry, particularly people in top management positions.





I will finish with some anecdotes. I am a geoscientist at a top Australian University. Every single one of the scientists here accept the climate change is a major threat to modern human civilisation as we know it. In a previous university where many people were involved with fossil fuel research, people accepted the realities of climate change. They were involved with the research because they either tried to find better ways of fossil fuels (realising that renewables are not there yet, and nuclear is unfortunately not an option), or because they have to pay their rent and feed their children. None denied that climate change is real, and none denied that the fossil fuel industry is the leading cause of it. We geoscientists all understand that the major driving force of the fossil fuel industry and climate change denialism is political, financial (usually old white rich men who don't care about anything but their own monetary benefit) and not scientific.






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    @SSight3 of course. Here, have three different sources! one two three. Thank you for asking.
    $endgroup$
    – Gimelist
    15 hours ago






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    $begingroup$
    @SSight3 grant funding works the opposite to “vested interests”. You first ask for money, then you get it, then you can do pretty much whatever. You are not expected to produce a certain result. Success in future grants is based on how good your scientific method was, and if you managed o discover something new and exciting. Therefore, the field is constantly evolving. And I reserve to use hyperboles as much as I wish.
    $endgroup$
    – Gimelist
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    @SSight3 I am not discrediting the study. The study correctly showed that people employed by the fossil fuel industry tend to disagree that climate change is anthropogenic. The Forbes article generalised this to all scientists. This is wrong. The authors of the study said this is wrong. There is nothing mixed here.
    $endgroup$
    – Gimelist
    13 hours ago






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    $begingroup$
    @SSight3 why does it matter? The opinion of climate scientists is the one that matters. Just as you wouldn’t trust a climate scientist to design an oil rig, you shouldn’t trust a petroleum engineer who dismisses ACC.
    $endgroup$
    – Gimelist
    13 hours ago






  • 5




    $begingroup$
    @SSight3: Your claim (in the first comment) that "the concept of global warming was proposed by Maurice Strong at the UN" is absolutely wrong. The first work on global warming was done by Svante Arrhenius en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Svante_Arrhenius and published around the turn of the 20th century, decades before the UN existed.
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    – jamesqf
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I want to know if that article has been refuted anywhere




Yes. You can read all about it in this blog post.



In short, the original paper was designed to test the view of "professional geologists", which in this case are members of the Association of Professional Engineers and Geoscientists of Alberta. The vast majority of them work in the fossil fuel industry. Therefore, those are people whose livelihood depends on the extraction of fossils fuels. This is not exactly the most unbiased crowd...



The article by James Taylor is spinning the original study into claiming that it applies to all geoscientists. The original authors of the study actually replied to Taylor's article saying:




First and foremost, our study is not a representative survey. Although
our data set is large and diverse enough for our research questions,
it cannot be used for generalizations such as “respondents believe …”
or “scientists don’t believe …”




(This is taken from a secondary source here)



In short, the article is not from "Forbes". It was published in Forbes, but written by a lying climate denier. He has misinterpreted the original study, as evident by two independent analyses and by the reply of the authors themselves.



So to answer your question:




Does this peer-reviewed study contradict the accepted position that climate change is not real?




This peer-reviewed study does not contradict anything. Climate change is overwhelmingly accepted by all scientists. What this peer-reviewed study shows is that those who deny the realities of climate change are those employed by the fossil fuel industry, particularly people in top management positions.





I will finish with some anecdotes. I am a geoscientist at a top Australian University. Every single one of the scientists here accept the climate change is a major threat to modern human civilisation as we know it. In a previous university where many people were involved with fossil fuel research, people accepted the realities of climate change. They were involved with the research because they either tried to find better ways of fossil fuels (realising that renewables are not there yet, and nuclear is unfortunately not an option), or because they have to pay their rent and feed their children. None denied that climate change is real, and none denied that the fossil fuel industry is the leading cause of it. We geoscientists all understand that the major driving force of the fossil fuel industry and climate change denialism is political, financial (usually old white rich men who don't care about anything but their own monetary benefit) and not scientific.






share|improve this answer









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I want to know if that article has been refuted anywhere




Yes. You can read all about it in this blog post.



In short, the original paper was designed to test the view of "professional geologists", which in this case are members of the Association of Professional Engineers and Geoscientists of Alberta. The vast majority of them work in the fossil fuel industry. Therefore, those are people whose livelihood depends on the extraction of fossils fuels. This is not exactly the most unbiased crowd...



The article by James Taylor is spinning the original study into claiming that it applies to all geoscientists. The original authors of the study actually replied to Taylor's article saying:




First and foremost, our study is not a representative survey. Although
our data set is large and diverse enough for our research questions,
it cannot be used for generalizations such as “respondents believe …”
or “scientists don’t believe …”




(This is taken from a secondary source here)



In short, the article is not from "Forbes". It was published in Forbes, but written by a lying climate denier. He has misinterpreted the original study, as evident by two independent analyses and by the reply of the authors themselves.



So to answer your question:




Does this peer-reviewed study contradict the accepted position that climate change is not real?




This peer-reviewed study does not contradict anything. Climate change is overwhelmingly accepted by all scientists. What this peer-reviewed study shows is that those who deny the realities of climate change are those employed by the fossil fuel industry, particularly people in top management positions.





I will finish with some anecdotes. I am a geoscientist at a top Australian University. Every single one of the scientists here accept the climate change is a major threat to modern human civilisation as we know it. In a previous university where many people were involved with fossil fuel research, people accepted the realities of climate change. They were involved with the research because they either tried to find better ways of fossil fuels (realising that renewables are not there yet, and nuclear is unfortunately not an option), or because they have to pay their rent and feed their children. None denied that climate change is real, and none denied that the fossil fuel industry is the leading cause of it. We geoscientists all understand that the major driving force of the fossil fuel industry and climate change denialism is political, financial (usually old white rich men who don't care about anything but their own monetary benefit) and not scientific.







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  • 12




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    @SSight3 of course. Here, have three different sources! one two three. Thank you for asking.
    $endgroup$
    – Gimelist
    15 hours ago






  • 7




    $begingroup$
    @SSight3 grant funding works the opposite to “vested interests”. You first ask for money, then you get it, then you can do pretty much whatever. You are not expected to produce a certain result. Success in future grants is based on how good your scientific method was, and if you managed o discover something new and exciting. Therefore, the field is constantly evolving. And I reserve to use hyperboles as much as I wish.
    $endgroup$
    – Gimelist
    13 hours ago






  • 11




    $begingroup$
    @SSight3 I am not discrediting the study. The study correctly showed that people employed by the fossil fuel industry tend to disagree that climate change is anthropogenic. The Forbes article generalised this to all scientists. This is wrong. The authors of the study said this is wrong. There is nothing mixed here.
    $endgroup$
    – Gimelist
    13 hours ago






  • 10




    $begingroup$
    @SSight3 why does it matter? The opinion of climate scientists is the one that matters. Just as you wouldn’t trust a climate scientist to design an oil rig, you shouldn’t trust a petroleum engineer who dismisses ACC.
    $endgroup$
    – Gimelist
    13 hours ago






  • 5




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    @SSight3: Your claim (in the first comment) that "the concept of global warming was proposed by Maurice Strong at the UN" is absolutely wrong. The first work on global warming was done by Svante Arrhenius en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Svante_Arrhenius and published around the turn of the 20th century, decades before the UN existed.
    $endgroup$
    – jamesqf
    10 hours ago














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    @SSight3 of course. Here, have three different sources! one two three. Thank you for asking.
    $endgroup$
    – Gimelist
    15 hours ago






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    $begingroup$
    @SSight3 grant funding works the opposite to “vested interests”. You first ask for money, then you get it, then you can do pretty much whatever. You are not expected to produce a certain result. Success in future grants is based on how good your scientific method was, and if you managed o discover something new and exciting. Therefore, the field is constantly evolving. And I reserve to use hyperboles as much as I wish.
    $endgroup$
    – Gimelist
    13 hours ago






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    @SSight3 I am not discrediting the study. The study correctly showed that people employed by the fossil fuel industry tend to disagree that climate change is anthropogenic. The Forbes article generalised this to all scientists. This is wrong. The authors of the study said this is wrong. There is nothing mixed here.
    $endgroup$
    – Gimelist
    13 hours ago






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    @SSight3 why does it matter? The opinion of climate scientists is the one that matters. Just as you wouldn’t trust a climate scientist to design an oil rig, you shouldn’t trust a petroleum engineer who dismisses ACC.
    $endgroup$
    – Gimelist
    13 hours ago






  • 5




    $begingroup$
    @SSight3: Your claim (in the first comment) that "the concept of global warming was proposed by Maurice Strong at the UN" is absolutely wrong. The first work on global warming was done by Svante Arrhenius en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Svante_Arrhenius and published around the turn of the 20th century, decades before the UN existed.
    $endgroup$
    – jamesqf
    10 hours ago








12




12




$begingroup$
@SSight3 of course. Here, have three different sources! one two three. Thank you for asking.
$endgroup$
– Gimelist
15 hours ago




$begingroup$
@SSight3 of course. Here, have three different sources! one two three. Thank you for asking.
$endgroup$
– Gimelist
15 hours ago




7




7




$begingroup$
@SSight3 grant funding works the opposite to “vested interests”. You first ask for money, then you get it, then you can do pretty much whatever. You are not expected to produce a certain result. Success in future grants is based on how good your scientific method was, and if you managed o discover something new and exciting. Therefore, the field is constantly evolving. And I reserve to use hyperboles as much as I wish.
$endgroup$
– Gimelist
13 hours ago




$begingroup$
@SSight3 grant funding works the opposite to “vested interests”. You first ask for money, then you get it, then you can do pretty much whatever. You are not expected to produce a certain result. Success in future grants is based on how good your scientific method was, and if you managed o discover something new and exciting. Therefore, the field is constantly evolving. And I reserve to use hyperboles as much as I wish.
$endgroup$
– Gimelist
13 hours ago




11




11




$begingroup$
@SSight3 I am not discrediting the study. The study correctly showed that people employed by the fossil fuel industry tend to disagree that climate change is anthropogenic. The Forbes article generalised this to all scientists. This is wrong. The authors of the study said this is wrong. There is nothing mixed here.
$endgroup$
– Gimelist
13 hours ago




$begingroup$
@SSight3 I am not discrediting the study. The study correctly showed that people employed by the fossil fuel industry tend to disagree that climate change is anthropogenic. The Forbes article generalised this to all scientists. This is wrong. The authors of the study said this is wrong. There is nothing mixed here.
$endgroup$
– Gimelist
13 hours ago




10




10




$begingroup$
@SSight3 why does it matter? The opinion of climate scientists is the one that matters. Just as you wouldn’t trust a climate scientist to design an oil rig, you shouldn’t trust a petroleum engineer who dismisses ACC.
$endgroup$
– Gimelist
13 hours ago




$begingroup$
@SSight3 why does it matter? The opinion of climate scientists is the one that matters. Just as you wouldn’t trust a climate scientist to design an oil rig, you shouldn’t trust a petroleum engineer who dismisses ACC.
$endgroup$
– Gimelist
13 hours ago




5




5




$begingroup$
@SSight3: Your claim (in the first comment) that "the concept of global warming was proposed by Maurice Strong at the UN" is absolutely wrong. The first work on global warming was done by Svante Arrhenius en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Svante_Arrhenius and published around the turn of the 20th century, decades before the UN existed.
$endgroup$
– jamesqf
10 hours ago




$begingroup$
@SSight3: Your claim (in the first comment) that "the concept of global warming was proposed by Maurice Strong at the UN" is absolutely wrong. The first work on global warming was done by Svante Arrhenius en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Svante_Arrhenius and published around the turn of the 20th century, decades before the UN existed.
$endgroup$
– jamesqf
10 hours ago


















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