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I am in the early stages of a tenure-track job at an R1 university. Recently, I've become romantically involved with a student in our PhD program; she's a 2nd year who recently finished her quals and is in the midst of finding an advisor.



What started as a fling has turned quite serious, and we are both happy. I was her mentor at the start of her graduate studies although not any longer.



I'm considering leaving academia for a role as data scientist at a drug discovery lab, primarily so that her and I can progress in our relationship, e.g. moving in together, getting married, having kids.



What are some things to consider before I make the jump and hand in my resignation?



Will I have a chance to return to academia if it turns out that my decision was regrettable?










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    I am in the early stages of a tenure-track job at an R1 university. Recently, I've become romantically involved with a student in our PhD program; she's a 2nd year who recently finished her quals and is in the midst of finding an advisor.



    What started as a fling has turned quite serious, and we are both happy. I was her mentor at the start of her graduate studies although not any longer.



    I'm considering leaving academia for a role as data scientist at a drug discovery lab, primarily so that her and I can progress in our relationship, e.g. moving in together, getting married, having kids.



    What are some things to consider before I make the jump and hand in my resignation?



    Will I have a chance to return to academia if it turns out that my decision was regrettable?










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      I am in the early stages of a tenure-track job at an R1 university. Recently, I've become romantically involved with a student in our PhD program; she's a 2nd year who recently finished her quals and is in the midst of finding an advisor.



      What started as a fling has turned quite serious, and we are both happy. I was her mentor at the start of her graduate studies although not any longer.



      I'm considering leaving academia for a role as data scientist at a drug discovery lab, primarily so that her and I can progress in our relationship, e.g. moving in together, getting married, having kids.



      What are some things to consider before I make the jump and hand in my resignation?



      Will I have a chance to return to academia if it turns out that my decision was regrettable?










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      I am in the early stages of a tenure-track job at an R1 university. Recently, I've become romantically involved with a student in our PhD program; she's a 2nd year who recently finished her quals and is in the midst of finding an advisor.



      What started as a fling has turned quite serious, and we are both happy. I was her mentor at the start of her graduate studies although not any longer.



      I'm considering leaving academia for a role as data scientist at a drug discovery lab, primarily so that her and I can progress in our relationship, e.g. moving in together, getting married, having kids.



      What are some things to consider before I make the jump and hand in my resignation?



      Will I have a chance to return to academia if it turns out that my decision was regrettable?







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          You need to look at your university's regulations. As far as I know, employees are not allowed to develop relationships only if there is a direct relationship, i.e. you are the student's academic supervisor, teaching her a course, etc. But otherwise, you should understand your organization's regulations before losing your job.



          Also, as a suggestion, why not waiting the student till she graduate to make a win-win deal? If she really into you, she would accept, as your success is also hers. That's my own personal opinion.






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          • Waiting may not be an options for two people who are truly serious, and may jeopardise both parties due to ethics/policy regarding romantic relationships between staff and students.

            – Spark
            52 mins ago











          • Many "real" ladies can do and do do lots of things while pregnant : it’s not an illness...

            – Solar Mike
            28 mins ago











          • Well! It depends we cannot make a sweeping generalization! I think the OP question is off-topic, this his own life and if she can pursue long hours in a PhD and lab besides pregnancy, it is fine! But I think the mistake from the beginning is to breach the rules of the university as this unethical!

            – Monika
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          • I think the best thing for the OP to focus how to get tenured in your position, and for her focus on her PhD! this is my opinion. I am an assistant lecturer and feels these relationship inside university is disgusting!

            – Monika
            1 min ago



















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          What are some things to consider before I make the jump and hand in my resignation?





          • Is she on the same page with you? (personally, I would not consider this without being engaged with a date set). In particular, consider that this will affect her career, particularly since she still has ~4 more years left at the university.

          • Is the industry job set in stone? Do they realize why you are leaving academia? Depending on your field and university, it is likely that these groups are close enough that they will talk.

          • Do you like the industry job? Some industry jobs are great, but some are less so, and none are really identical to a faculty job. You will not want to resent your partner for ruining your career.

          • Is there any way to keep this "above board"? It would be nice if you could both maintain your positions. Assuming there's no way you would be allowed to date a student, you may want to look into switching departments, titles, or universities rather than leaving academia altogether.



          Will I have a chance to return to academia if it turns out that my decision was regrettable?




          I doubt it -- it sounds like you are already dating a student, which is likely a serious breach of ethics and/or policy, and one that people will talk about. Further, faculty positions are exceptionally difficult to get at the best of times; trying to recover one after you quit under these circumstances seems unlikely at best.






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            You really need to evaluate all the parts to this and examine what are the consequences if something goes wrong, ie:



            Relationship is good but job falls over, what happens?



            Job is good, relationship fails, what happens?



            I wish you all the best, but just think it through.






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            First of all, congratulations on having one of the more adorable reasons to leave academia!



            More to the point. You and your partner should look at the implications of what you are doing.



            My assumptions:




            1. You and your partner are both responsible adults who fully understand what getting into a serious relationship means.

            2. You two are on the same page: equally committed to see this relationship through, and are seeing this as (much) more than just a fling.

            3. Your data scientist position is not going to offer you many opportunities to publish. If it's a research position that allows you to publish regularly then you may even have an advantage! Industry researchers like in Microsoft Research or Google DeepMind are often considered to be the best of the best.


            What you might want to consider:





            1. Short Term: is there even a problem? Does your university explicitly forbid relationships between staff and students, even if there's no direct professional relation? This is true in my university, but yours might be different. Some universities simply require that you two report your relationship to HR and that's it. Whether you should report it to anyone else (e.g. department heads) is really up to you assuming you can continue. It really depends on the nature of your department(s) and how things should be perceived, and your own personal relationships with your department heads.


            2. Mid Term: if it turns out that you can't both be in your current positions, then you need to sit down for a very serious conversation. This means that one of you is going to have to make a serious career move/potential sacrifice. It may be that your partner's move is the less costly one if she's just started her studies. PhD students switch programs for all
              kinds of reasons all the time. Giving up on academia altogether (or
              taking a long hiatus from which you're not likely to return) is a
              very different ballgame. I'm not saying that one choice is better
              than the other - that really depends on your relationship and what
              sacrifices are involved (say, you were already thinking of leaving
              academia in a year or two, or your partner is on the verge of an
              academic breakthrough that'll land her a paper in Nature/PNAS), but
              several conversations need to be had before you up and leave!


            3. Long Term: if indeed you make that decision and leave academia, you both have to be prepared for this decision to potentially echo throughout your relationship. It could be that you are moving to your dream job, and that your partner is currently unknowingly saving you from what would've been a career path that you'd end up hating. However, you did spend 10+ years preparing for just this job, invested years of undergraduate, PhD, postdoc (maybe), maybe some internships, just to get this job. You will give it up for your partner, which is a serious sacrifice to make, one that may come back to you when times are low (and they will be, as in any normal relationship). Your partner should be prepared to understand what this means; she may not be if she just started her foray into academia. I have met several couples where one partner had to put their career on hold for the other's career. The classic example is the spouse that follows their partner around on multiple postdocs, with very real long-term effects on their career. This kind of sacrifice puts a strain even on well-established relationships (married several years with kids etc.), let alone on a newly started one.


            Good luck!






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              You need to look at your university's regulations. As far as I know, employees are not allowed to develop relationships only if there is a direct relationship, i.e. you are the student's academic supervisor, teaching her a course, etc. But otherwise, you should understand your organization's regulations before losing your job.



              Also, as a suggestion, why not waiting the student till she graduate to make a win-win deal? If she really into you, she would accept, as your success is also hers. That's my own personal opinion.






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              • Waiting may not be an options for two people who are truly serious, and may jeopardise both parties due to ethics/policy regarding romantic relationships between staff and students.

                – Spark
                52 mins ago











              • Many "real" ladies can do and do do lots of things while pregnant : it’s not an illness...

                – Solar Mike
                28 mins ago











              • Well! It depends we cannot make a sweeping generalization! I think the OP question is off-topic, this his own life and if she can pursue long hours in a PhD and lab besides pregnancy, it is fine! But I think the mistake from the beginning is to breach the rules of the university as this unethical!

                – Monika
                3 mins ago













              • I think the best thing for the OP to focus how to get tenured in your position, and for her focus on her PhD! this is my opinion. I am an assistant lecturer and feels these relationship inside university is disgusting!

                – Monika
                1 min ago
















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              You need to look at your university's regulations. As far as I know, employees are not allowed to develop relationships only if there is a direct relationship, i.e. you are the student's academic supervisor, teaching her a course, etc. But otherwise, you should understand your organization's regulations before losing your job.



              Also, as a suggestion, why not waiting the student till she graduate to make a win-win deal? If she really into you, she would accept, as your success is also hers. That's my own personal opinion.






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              • Waiting may not be an options for two people who are truly serious, and may jeopardise both parties due to ethics/policy regarding romantic relationships between staff and students.

                – Spark
                52 mins ago











              • Many "real" ladies can do and do do lots of things while pregnant : it’s not an illness...

                – Solar Mike
                28 mins ago











              • Well! It depends we cannot make a sweeping generalization! I think the OP question is off-topic, this his own life and if she can pursue long hours in a PhD and lab besides pregnancy, it is fine! But I think the mistake from the beginning is to breach the rules of the university as this unethical!

                – Monika
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              • I think the best thing for the OP to focus how to get tenured in your position, and for her focus on her PhD! this is my opinion. I am an assistant lecturer and feels these relationship inside university is disgusting!

                – Monika
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              You need to look at your university's regulations. As far as I know, employees are not allowed to develop relationships only if there is a direct relationship, i.e. you are the student's academic supervisor, teaching her a course, etc. But otherwise, you should understand your organization's regulations before losing your job.



              Also, as a suggestion, why not waiting the student till she graduate to make a win-win deal? If she really into you, she would accept, as your success is also hers. That's my own personal opinion.






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              You need to look at your university's regulations. As far as I know, employees are not allowed to develop relationships only if there is a direct relationship, i.e. you are the student's academic supervisor, teaching her a course, etc. But otherwise, you should understand your organization's regulations before losing your job.



              Also, as a suggestion, why not waiting the student till she graduate to make a win-win deal? If she really into you, she would accept, as your success is also hers. That's my own personal opinion.







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              • Waiting may not be an options for two people who are truly serious, and may jeopardise both parties due to ethics/policy regarding romantic relationships between staff and students.

                – Spark
                52 mins ago











              • Many "real" ladies can do and do do lots of things while pregnant : it’s not an illness...

                – Solar Mike
                28 mins ago











              • Well! It depends we cannot make a sweeping generalization! I think the OP question is off-topic, this his own life and if she can pursue long hours in a PhD and lab besides pregnancy, it is fine! But I think the mistake from the beginning is to breach the rules of the university as this unethical!

                – Monika
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              • I think the best thing for the OP to focus how to get tenured in your position, and for her focus on her PhD! this is my opinion. I am an assistant lecturer and feels these relationship inside university is disgusting!

                – Monika
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              • Waiting may not be an options for two people who are truly serious, and may jeopardise both parties due to ethics/policy regarding romantic relationships between staff and students.

                – Spark
                52 mins ago











              • Many "real" ladies can do and do do lots of things while pregnant : it’s not an illness...

                – Solar Mike
                28 mins ago











              • Well! It depends we cannot make a sweeping generalization! I think the OP question is off-topic, this his own life and if she can pursue long hours in a PhD and lab besides pregnancy, it is fine! But I think the mistake from the beginning is to breach the rules of the university as this unethical!

                – Monika
                3 mins ago













              • I think the best thing for the OP to focus how to get tenured in your position, and for her focus on her PhD! this is my opinion. I am an assistant lecturer and feels these relationship inside university is disgusting!

                – Monika
                1 min ago

















              Waiting may not be an options for two people who are truly serious, and may jeopardise both parties due to ethics/policy regarding romantic relationships between staff and students.

              – Spark
              52 mins ago





              Waiting may not be an options for two people who are truly serious, and may jeopardise both parties due to ethics/policy regarding romantic relationships between staff and students.

              – Spark
              52 mins ago













              Many "real" ladies can do and do do lots of things while pregnant : it’s not an illness...

              – Solar Mike
              28 mins ago





              Many "real" ladies can do and do do lots of things while pregnant : it’s not an illness...

              – Solar Mike
              28 mins ago













              Well! It depends we cannot make a sweeping generalization! I think the OP question is off-topic, this his own life and if she can pursue long hours in a PhD and lab besides pregnancy, it is fine! But I think the mistake from the beginning is to breach the rules of the university as this unethical!

              – Monika
              3 mins ago







              Well! It depends we cannot make a sweeping generalization! I think the OP question is off-topic, this his own life and if she can pursue long hours in a PhD and lab besides pregnancy, it is fine! But I think the mistake from the beginning is to breach the rules of the university as this unethical!

              – Monika
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              I think the best thing for the OP to focus how to get tenured in your position, and for her focus on her PhD! this is my opinion. I am an assistant lecturer and feels these relationship inside university is disgusting!

              – Monika
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              I think the best thing for the OP to focus how to get tenured in your position, and for her focus on her PhD! this is my opinion. I am an assistant lecturer and feels these relationship inside university is disgusting!

              – Monika
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              What are some things to consider before I make the jump and hand in my resignation?





              • Is she on the same page with you? (personally, I would not consider this without being engaged with a date set). In particular, consider that this will affect her career, particularly since she still has ~4 more years left at the university.

              • Is the industry job set in stone? Do they realize why you are leaving academia? Depending on your field and university, it is likely that these groups are close enough that they will talk.

              • Do you like the industry job? Some industry jobs are great, but some are less so, and none are really identical to a faculty job. You will not want to resent your partner for ruining your career.

              • Is there any way to keep this "above board"? It would be nice if you could both maintain your positions. Assuming there's no way you would be allowed to date a student, you may want to look into switching departments, titles, or universities rather than leaving academia altogether.



              Will I have a chance to return to academia if it turns out that my decision was regrettable?




              I doubt it -- it sounds like you are already dating a student, which is likely a serious breach of ethics and/or policy, and one that people will talk about. Further, faculty positions are exceptionally difficult to get at the best of times; trying to recover one after you quit under these circumstances seems unlikely at best.






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                What are some things to consider before I make the jump and hand in my resignation?





                • Is she on the same page with you? (personally, I would not consider this without being engaged with a date set). In particular, consider that this will affect her career, particularly since she still has ~4 more years left at the university.

                • Is the industry job set in stone? Do they realize why you are leaving academia? Depending on your field and university, it is likely that these groups are close enough that they will talk.

                • Do you like the industry job? Some industry jobs are great, but some are less so, and none are really identical to a faculty job. You will not want to resent your partner for ruining your career.

                • Is there any way to keep this "above board"? It would be nice if you could both maintain your positions. Assuming there's no way you would be allowed to date a student, you may want to look into switching departments, titles, or universities rather than leaving academia altogether.



                Will I have a chance to return to academia if it turns out that my decision was regrettable?




                I doubt it -- it sounds like you are already dating a student, which is likely a serious breach of ethics and/or policy, and one that people will talk about. Further, faculty positions are exceptionally difficult to get at the best of times; trying to recover one after you quit under these circumstances seems unlikely at best.






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                  What are some things to consider before I make the jump and hand in my resignation?





                  • Is she on the same page with you? (personally, I would not consider this without being engaged with a date set). In particular, consider that this will affect her career, particularly since she still has ~4 more years left at the university.

                  • Is the industry job set in stone? Do they realize why you are leaving academia? Depending on your field and university, it is likely that these groups are close enough that they will talk.

                  • Do you like the industry job? Some industry jobs are great, but some are less so, and none are really identical to a faculty job. You will not want to resent your partner for ruining your career.

                  • Is there any way to keep this "above board"? It would be nice if you could both maintain your positions. Assuming there's no way you would be allowed to date a student, you may want to look into switching departments, titles, or universities rather than leaving academia altogether.



                  Will I have a chance to return to academia if it turns out that my decision was regrettable?




                  I doubt it -- it sounds like you are already dating a student, which is likely a serious breach of ethics and/or policy, and one that people will talk about. Further, faculty positions are exceptionally difficult to get at the best of times; trying to recover one after you quit under these circumstances seems unlikely at best.






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                  What are some things to consider before I make the jump and hand in my resignation?





                  • Is she on the same page with you? (personally, I would not consider this without being engaged with a date set). In particular, consider that this will affect her career, particularly since she still has ~4 more years left at the university.

                  • Is the industry job set in stone? Do they realize why you are leaving academia? Depending on your field and university, it is likely that these groups are close enough that they will talk.

                  • Do you like the industry job? Some industry jobs are great, but some are less so, and none are really identical to a faculty job. You will not want to resent your partner for ruining your career.

                  • Is there any way to keep this "above board"? It would be nice if you could both maintain your positions. Assuming there's no way you would be allowed to date a student, you may want to look into switching departments, titles, or universities rather than leaving academia altogether.



                  Will I have a chance to return to academia if it turns out that my decision was regrettable?




                  I doubt it -- it sounds like you are already dating a student, which is likely a serious breach of ethics and/or policy, and one that people will talk about. Further, faculty positions are exceptionally difficult to get at the best of times; trying to recover one after you quit under these circumstances seems unlikely at best.







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                      You really need to evaluate all the parts to this and examine what are the consequences if something goes wrong, ie:



                      Relationship is good but job falls over, what happens?



                      Job is good, relationship fails, what happens?



                      I wish you all the best, but just think it through.






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                      • I think we can give the OP the benefit of the doubt of being a responsible adult

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                      You really need to evaluate all the parts to this and examine what are the consequences if something goes wrong, ie:



                      Relationship is good but job falls over, what happens?



                      Job is good, relationship fails, what happens?



                      I wish you all the best, but just think it through.






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                      • I think we can give the OP the benefit of the doubt of being a responsible adult

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                      You really need to evaluate all the parts to this and examine what are the consequences if something goes wrong, ie:



                      Relationship is good but job falls over, what happens?



                      Job is good, relationship fails, what happens?



                      I wish you all the best, but just think it through.






                      share|improve this answer













                      You really need to evaluate all the parts to this and examine what are the consequences if something goes wrong, ie:



                      Relationship is good but job falls over, what happens?



                      Job is good, relationship fails, what happens?



                      I wish you all the best, but just think it through.







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                      • I think we can give the OP the benefit of the doubt of being a responsible adult

                        – Spark
                        24 mins ago



















                      • I think we can give the OP the benefit of the doubt of being a responsible adult

                        – Spark
                        24 mins ago

















                      I think we can give the OP the benefit of the doubt of being a responsible adult

                      – Spark
                      24 mins ago





                      I think we can give the OP the benefit of the doubt of being a responsible adult

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                      First of all, congratulations on having one of the more adorable reasons to leave academia!



                      More to the point. You and your partner should look at the implications of what you are doing.



                      My assumptions:




                      1. You and your partner are both responsible adults who fully understand what getting into a serious relationship means.

                      2. You two are on the same page: equally committed to see this relationship through, and are seeing this as (much) more than just a fling.

                      3. Your data scientist position is not going to offer you many opportunities to publish. If it's a research position that allows you to publish regularly then you may even have an advantage! Industry researchers like in Microsoft Research or Google DeepMind are often considered to be the best of the best.


                      What you might want to consider:





                      1. Short Term: is there even a problem? Does your university explicitly forbid relationships between staff and students, even if there's no direct professional relation? This is true in my university, but yours might be different. Some universities simply require that you two report your relationship to HR and that's it. Whether you should report it to anyone else (e.g. department heads) is really up to you assuming you can continue. It really depends on the nature of your department(s) and how things should be perceived, and your own personal relationships with your department heads.


                      2. Mid Term: if it turns out that you can't both be in your current positions, then you need to sit down for a very serious conversation. This means that one of you is going to have to make a serious career move/potential sacrifice. It may be that your partner's move is the less costly one if she's just started her studies. PhD students switch programs for all
                        kinds of reasons all the time. Giving up on academia altogether (or
                        taking a long hiatus from which you're not likely to return) is a
                        very different ballgame. I'm not saying that one choice is better
                        than the other - that really depends on your relationship and what
                        sacrifices are involved (say, you were already thinking of leaving
                        academia in a year or two, or your partner is on the verge of an
                        academic breakthrough that'll land her a paper in Nature/PNAS), but
                        several conversations need to be had before you up and leave!


                      3. Long Term: if indeed you make that decision and leave academia, you both have to be prepared for this decision to potentially echo throughout your relationship. It could be that you are moving to your dream job, and that your partner is currently unknowingly saving you from what would've been a career path that you'd end up hating. However, you did spend 10+ years preparing for just this job, invested years of undergraduate, PhD, postdoc (maybe), maybe some internships, just to get this job. You will give it up for your partner, which is a serious sacrifice to make, one that may come back to you when times are low (and they will be, as in any normal relationship). Your partner should be prepared to understand what this means; she may not be if she just started her foray into academia. I have met several couples where one partner had to put their career on hold for the other's career. The classic example is the spouse that follows their partner around on multiple postdocs, with very real long-term effects on their career. This kind of sacrifice puts a strain even on well-established relationships (married several years with kids etc.), let alone on a newly started one.


                      Good luck!






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                        First of all, congratulations on having one of the more adorable reasons to leave academia!



                        More to the point. You and your partner should look at the implications of what you are doing.



                        My assumptions:




                        1. You and your partner are both responsible adults who fully understand what getting into a serious relationship means.

                        2. You two are on the same page: equally committed to see this relationship through, and are seeing this as (much) more than just a fling.

                        3. Your data scientist position is not going to offer you many opportunities to publish. If it's a research position that allows you to publish regularly then you may even have an advantage! Industry researchers like in Microsoft Research or Google DeepMind are often considered to be the best of the best.


                        What you might want to consider:





                        1. Short Term: is there even a problem? Does your university explicitly forbid relationships between staff and students, even if there's no direct professional relation? This is true in my university, but yours might be different. Some universities simply require that you two report your relationship to HR and that's it. Whether you should report it to anyone else (e.g. department heads) is really up to you assuming you can continue. It really depends on the nature of your department(s) and how things should be perceived, and your own personal relationships with your department heads.


                        2. Mid Term: if it turns out that you can't both be in your current positions, then you need to sit down for a very serious conversation. This means that one of you is going to have to make a serious career move/potential sacrifice. It may be that your partner's move is the less costly one if she's just started her studies. PhD students switch programs for all
                          kinds of reasons all the time. Giving up on academia altogether (or
                          taking a long hiatus from which you're not likely to return) is a
                          very different ballgame. I'm not saying that one choice is better
                          than the other - that really depends on your relationship and what
                          sacrifices are involved (say, you were already thinking of leaving
                          academia in a year or two, or your partner is on the verge of an
                          academic breakthrough that'll land her a paper in Nature/PNAS), but
                          several conversations need to be had before you up and leave!


                        3. Long Term: if indeed you make that decision and leave academia, you both have to be prepared for this decision to potentially echo throughout your relationship. It could be that you are moving to your dream job, and that your partner is currently unknowingly saving you from what would've been a career path that you'd end up hating. However, you did spend 10+ years preparing for just this job, invested years of undergraduate, PhD, postdoc (maybe), maybe some internships, just to get this job. You will give it up for your partner, which is a serious sacrifice to make, one that may come back to you when times are low (and they will be, as in any normal relationship). Your partner should be prepared to understand what this means; she may not be if she just started her foray into academia. I have met several couples where one partner had to put their career on hold for the other's career. The classic example is the spouse that follows their partner around on multiple postdocs, with very real long-term effects on their career. This kind of sacrifice puts a strain even on well-established relationships (married several years with kids etc.), let alone on a newly started one.


                        Good luck!






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                          First of all, congratulations on having one of the more adorable reasons to leave academia!



                          More to the point. You and your partner should look at the implications of what you are doing.



                          My assumptions:




                          1. You and your partner are both responsible adults who fully understand what getting into a serious relationship means.

                          2. You two are on the same page: equally committed to see this relationship through, and are seeing this as (much) more than just a fling.

                          3. Your data scientist position is not going to offer you many opportunities to publish. If it's a research position that allows you to publish regularly then you may even have an advantage! Industry researchers like in Microsoft Research or Google DeepMind are often considered to be the best of the best.


                          What you might want to consider:





                          1. Short Term: is there even a problem? Does your university explicitly forbid relationships between staff and students, even if there's no direct professional relation? This is true in my university, but yours might be different. Some universities simply require that you two report your relationship to HR and that's it. Whether you should report it to anyone else (e.g. department heads) is really up to you assuming you can continue. It really depends on the nature of your department(s) and how things should be perceived, and your own personal relationships with your department heads.


                          2. Mid Term: if it turns out that you can't both be in your current positions, then you need to sit down for a very serious conversation. This means that one of you is going to have to make a serious career move/potential sacrifice. It may be that your partner's move is the less costly one if she's just started her studies. PhD students switch programs for all
                            kinds of reasons all the time. Giving up on academia altogether (or
                            taking a long hiatus from which you're not likely to return) is a
                            very different ballgame. I'm not saying that one choice is better
                            than the other - that really depends on your relationship and what
                            sacrifices are involved (say, you were already thinking of leaving
                            academia in a year or two, or your partner is on the verge of an
                            academic breakthrough that'll land her a paper in Nature/PNAS), but
                            several conversations need to be had before you up and leave!


                          3. Long Term: if indeed you make that decision and leave academia, you both have to be prepared for this decision to potentially echo throughout your relationship. It could be that you are moving to your dream job, and that your partner is currently unknowingly saving you from what would've been a career path that you'd end up hating. However, you did spend 10+ years preparing for just this job, invested years of undergraduate, PhD, postdoc (maybe), maybe some internships, just to get this job. You will give it up for your partner, which is a serious sacrifice to make, one that may come back to you when times are low (and they will be, as in any normal relationship). Your partner should be prepared to understand what this means; she may not be if she just started her foray into academia. I have met several couples where one partner had to put their career on hold for the other's career. The classic example is the spouse that follows their partner around on multiple postdocs, with very real long-term effects on their career. This kind of sacrifice puts a strain even on well-established relationships (married several years with kids etc.), let alone on a newly started one.


                          Good luck!






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                          First of all, congratulations on having one of the more adorable reasons to leave academia!



                          More to the point. You and your partner should look at the implications of what you are doing.



                          My assumptions:




                          1. You and your partner are both responsible adults who fully understand what getting into a serious relationship means.

                          2. You two are on the same page: equally committed to see this relationship through, and are seeing this as (much) more than just a fling.

                          3. Your data scientist position is not going to offer you many opportunities to publish. If it's a research position that allows you to publish regularly then you may even have an advantage! Industry researchers like in Microsoft Research or Google DeepMind are often considered to be the best of the best.


                          What you might want to consider:





                          1. Short Term: is there even a problem? Does your university explicitly forbid relationships between staff and students, even if there's no direct professional relation? This is true in my university, but yours might be different. Some universities simply require that you two report your relationship to HR and that's it. Whether you should report it to anyone else (e.g. department heads) is really up to you assuming you can continue. It really depends on the nature of your department(s) and how things should be perceived, and your own personal relationships with your department heads.


                          2. Mid Term: if it turns out that you can't both be in your current positions, then you need to sit down for a very serious conversation. This means that one of you is going to have to make a serious career move/potential sacrifice. It may be that your partner's move is the less costly one if she's just started her studies. PhD students switch programs for all
                            kinds of reasons all the time. Giving up on academia altogether (or
                            taking a long hiatus from which you're not likely to return) is a
                            very different ballgame. I'm not saying that one choice is better
                            than the other - that really depends on your relationship and what
                            sacrifices are involved (say, you were already thinking of leaving
                            academia in a year or two, or your partner is on the verge of an
                            academic breakthrough that'll land her a paper in Nature/PNAS), but
                            several conversations need to be had before you up and leave!


                          3. Long Term: if indeed you make that decision and leave academia, you both have to be prepared for this decision to potentially echo throughout your relationship. It could be that you are moving to your dream job, and that your partner is currently unknowingly saving you from what would've been a career path that you'd end up hating. However, you did spend 10+ years preparing for just this job, invested years of undergraduate, PhD, postdoc (maybe), maybe some internships, just to get this job. You will give it up for your partner, which is a serious sacrifice to make, one that may come back to you when times are low (and they will be, as in any normal relationship). Your partner should be prepared to understand what this means; she may not be if she just started her foray into academia. I have met several couples where one partner had to put their career on hold for the other's career. The classic example is the spouse that follows their partner around on multiple postdocs, with very real long-term effects on their career. This kind of sacrifice puts a strain even on well-established relationships (married several years with kids etc.), let alone on a newly started one.


                          Good luck!







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