Relationship between sampajanna definitions in SN 47.2 and SN 47.35












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What is the relationship between the definitions of sampajañña (clear comprehension) in SN 47.2 and SN 47.35?



From SN 47.35 (translated by Bodhi):




“And how, bhikkhus, does a bhikkhu exercise clear comprehension? Here,
bhikkhus, for a bhikkhu feelings are understood as they arise,
understood as they remain present, understood as they pass away.
Thoughts are understood as they arise, understood as they remain
present, understood as they pass away. Perceptions are understood as
they arise, understood as they remain present, understood as they pass
away. It is in this way, bhikkhus, that a bhikkhu exercises clear
comprehension.




From SN 47.2 (translated by Bodhi):




“And how, bhikkhus, does a bhikkhu exercise clear comprehension? Here,
bhikkhus, a bhikkhu is one who acts with clear comprehension when
going forward and returning; when looking ahead and looking aside;
when drawing in and extending the limbs; when wearing his robes and
carrying his outer robe and bowl; when eating, drinking, chewing his
food, and tasting; when defecating and urinating; when walking,
standing, sitting, falling asleep, waking up, speaking, and keeping
silent. It is in such a way that a bhikkhu exercises clear
comprehension.











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    What is the relationship between the definitions of sampajañña (clear comprehension) in SN 47.2 and SN 47.35?



    From SN 47.35 (translated by Bodhi):




    “And how, bhikkhus, does a bhikkhu exercise clear comprehension? Here,
    bhikkhus, for a bhikkhu feelings are understood as they arise,
    understood as they remain present, understood as they pass away.
    Thoughts are understood as they arise, understood as they remain
    present, understood as they pass away. Perceptions are understood as
    they arise, understood as they remain present, understood as they pass
    away. It is in this way, bhikkhus, that a bhikkhu exercises clear
    comprehension.




    From SN 47.2 (translated by Bodhi):




    “And how, bhikkhus, does a bhikkhu exercise clear comprehension? Here,
    bhikkhus, a bhikkhu is one who acts with clear comprehension when
    going forward and returning; when looking ahead and looking aside;
    when drawing in and extending the limbs; when wearing his robes and
    carrying his outer robe and bowl; when eating, drinking, chewing his
    food, and tasting; when defecating and urinating; when walking,
    standing, sitting, falling asleep, waking up, speaking, and keeping
    silent. It is in such a way that a bhikkhu exercises clear
    comprehension.











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      What is the relationship between the definitions of sampajañña (clear comprehension) in SN 47.2 and SN 47.35?



      From SN 47.35 (translated by Bodhi):




      “And how, bhikkhus, does a bhikkhu exercise clear comprehension? Here,
      bhikkhus, for a bhikkhu feelings are understood as they arise,
      understood as they remain present, understood as they pass away.
      Thoughts are understood as they arise, understood as they remain
      present, understood as they pass away. Perceptions are understood as
      they arise, understood as they remain present, understood as they pass
      away. It is in this way, bhikkhus, that a bhikkhu exercises clear
      comprehension.




      From SN 47.2 (translated by Bodhi):




      “And how, bhikkhus, does a bhikkhu exercise clear comprehension? Here,
      bhikkhus, a bhikkhu is one who acts with clear comprehension when
      going forward and returning; when looking ahead and looking aside;
      when drawing in and extending the limbs; when wearing his robes and
      carrying his outer robe and bowl; when eating, drinking, chewing his
      food, and tasting; when defecating and urinating; when walking,
      standing, sitting, falling asleep, waking up, speaking, and keeping
      silent. It is in such a way that a bhikkhu exercises clear
      comprehension.











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      What is the relationship between the definitions of sampajañña (clear comprehension) in SN 47.2 and SN 47.35?



      From SN 47.35 (translated by Bodhi):




      “And how, bhikkhus, does a bhikkhu exercise clear comprehension? Here,
      bhikkhus, for a bhikkhu feelings are understood as they arise,
      understood as they remain present, understood as they pass away.
      Thoughts are understood as they arise, understood as they remain
      present, understood as they pass away. Perceptions are understood as
      they arise, understood as they remain present, understood as they pass
      away. It is in this way, bhikkhus, that a bhikkhu exercises clear
      comprehension.




      From SN 47.2 (translated by Bodhi):




      “And how, bhikkhus, does a bhikkhu exercise clear comprehension? Here,
      bhikkhus, a bhikkhu is one who acts with clear comprehension when
      going forward and returning; when looking ahead and looking aside;
      when drawing in and extending the limbs; when wearing his robes and
      carrying his outer robe and bowl; when eating, drinking, chewing his
      food, and tasting; when defecating and urinating; when walking,
      standing, sitting, falling asleep, waking up, speaking, and keeping
      silent. It is in such a way that a bhikkhu exercises clear
      comprehension.








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          In line with what I said in my other answer, both are descriptions of self-awareness, of not getting carried away by the circumstances.



          This does not refer to "zombie bare awareness" executed mechanically, but to normal, pragmatic, careful self-awareness of an intelligent person.






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          • Yes, unfortunately, a lot of modern mindfulness teachers seem to be teaching it wrongly. They teach "Be aware in the present moment and simply observe X without judging" when it should be "Don't forget to keep observing X and thoroughly understanding the arising, changing and ceasing of X without judging", where X refers to body, feelings, thoughts and phenomena, and "without judging" means actively removing greed and aversion.

            – ruben2020
            25 mins ago













          • Not just arising/ceasing and removing greed/aversion, but also seeing any biases, attachments, egoistic motives, defensiveness, self-promotion etc.

            – Andrei Volkov
            6 mins ago



















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          And how, bhikkhus, does a bhikkhu exercise clear comprehension? Here, bhikkhus, for a bhikkhu feelings are understood as they arise,
          understood as they remain present, understood as they pass away.
          Thoughts are understood as they arise, understood as they remain
          present, understood as they pass away. Perceptions are understood as
          they arise, understood as they remain present, understood as they pass
          away. It is in this way, bhikkhus, that a bhikkhu exercises clear
          comprehension.



          SN 47.35




          The above means feelings, perceptions & thoughts are clearly understood in terms of the Dhamma, namely, they are impermanent, not-self, not to be clung to.



          Note: This is not vipassana, namely, observing arising & passing of feelings, perceptions & thoughts. It is understanding feelings, perceptions & thoughts, including when they are purposefully used. Thus, when speaking to another, for example, the mind understands: "These thoughts are conventions, subjective, not to be clung to, etc".




          And how, bhikkhus, does a bhikkhu exercise clear comprehension? Here, bhikkhus, a bhikkhu is one who acts with clear comprehension when
          going forward and returning; when looking ahead and looking aside;
          when drawing in and extending the limbs; when wearing his robes and
          carrying his outer robe and bowl; when eating, drinking, chewing his
          food, and tasting; when defecating and urinating; when walking,
          standing, sitting, falling asleep, waking up, speaking, and keeping
          silent. It is in such a way that a bhikkhu exercises clear
          comprehension.



          SN 47.2




          The above is exactly the same. When walking, the monk has clear-comprehension, such as: "I am monk; I must walk so I make a good public impression" or the monk reflects: "This walking is not self" (such as when Rahula was walking behind the Buddha in MN 62 and the Buddha rebuked Rahula for regarding the Buddha as a "self" or with "beauty").





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            In line with what I said in my other answer, both are descriptions of self-awareness, of not getting carried away by the circumstances.



            This does not refer to "zombie bare awareness" executed mechanically, but to normal, pragmatic, careful self-awareness of an intelligent person.






            share|improve this answer
























            • Yes, unfortunately, a lot of modern mindfulness teachers seem to be teaching it wrongly. They teach "Be aware in the present moment and simply observe X without judging" when it should be "Don't forget to keep observing X and thoroughly understanding the arising, changing and ceasing of X without judging", where X refers to body, feelings, thoughts and phenomena, and "without judging" means actively removing greed and aversion.

              – ruben2020
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            • Not just arising/ceasing and removing greed/aversion, but also seeing any biases, attachments, egoistic motives, defensiveness, self-promotion etc.

              – Andrei Volkov
              6 mins ago
















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            In line with what I said in my other answer, both are descriptions of self-awareness, of not getting carried away by the circumstances.



            This does not refer to "zombie bare awareness" executed mechanically, but to normal, pragmatic, careful self-awareness of an intelligent person.






            share|improve this answer
























            • Yes, unfortunately, a lot of modern mindfulness teachers seem to be teaching it wrongly. They teach "Be aware in the present moment and simply observe X without judging" when it should be "Don't forget to keep observing X and thoroughly understanding the arising, changing and ceasing of X without judging", where X refers to body, feelings, thoughts and phenomena, and "without judging" means actively removing greed and aversion.

              – ruben2020
              25 mins ago













            • Not just arising/ceasing and removing greed/aversion, but also seeing any biases, attachments, egoistic motives, defensiveness, self-promotion etc.

              – Andrei Volkov
              6 mins ago














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            In line with what I said in my other answer, both are descriptions of self-awareness, of not getting carried away by the circumstances.



            This does not refer to "zombie bare awareness" executed mechanically, but to normal, pragmatic, careful self-awareness of an intelligent person.






            share|improve this answer













            In line with what I said in my other answer, both are descriptions of self-awareness, of not getting carried away by the circumstances.



            This does not refer to "zombie bare awareness" executed mechanically, but to normal, pragmatic, careful self-awareness of an intelligent person.







            share|improve this answer












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            • Yes, unfortunately, a lot of modern mindfulness teachers seem to be teaching it wrongly. They teach "Be aware in the present moment and simply observe X without judging" when it should be "Don't forget to keep observing X and thoroughly understanding the arising, changing and ceasing of X without judging", where X refers to body, feelings, thoughts and phenomena, and "without judging" means actively removing greed and aversion.

              – ruben2020
              25 mins ago













            • Not just arising/ceasing and removing greed/aversion, but also seeing any biases, attachments, egoistic motives, defensiveness, self-promotion etc.

              – Andrei Volkov
              6 mins ago



















            • Yes, unfortunately, a lot of modern mindfulness teachers seem to be teaching it wrongly. They teach "Be aware in the present moment and simply observe X without judging" when it should be "Don't forget to keep observing X and thoroughly understanding the arising, changing and ceasing of X without judging", where X refers to body, feelings, thoughts and phenomena, and "without judging" means actively removing greed and aversion.

              – ruben2020
              25 mins ago













            • Not just arising/ceasing and removing greed/aversion, but also seeing any biases, attachments, egoistic motives, defensiveness, self-promotion etc.

              – Andrei Volkov
              6 mins ago

















            Yes, unfortunately, a lot of modern mindfulness teachers seem to be teaching it wrongly. They teach "Be aware in the present moment and simply observe X without judging" when it should be "Don't forget to keep observing X and thoroughly understanding the arising, changing and ceasing of X without judging", where X refers to body, feelings, thoughts and phenomena, and "without judging" means actively removing greed and aversion.

            – ruben2020
            25 mins ago







            Yes, unfortunately, a lot of modern mindfulness teachers seem to be teaching it wrongly. They teach "Be aware in the present moment and simply observe X without judging" when it should be "Don't forget to keep observing X and thoroughly understanding the arising, changing and ceasing of X without judging", where X refers to body, feelings, thoughts and phenomena, and "without judging" means actively removing greed and aversion.

            – ruben2020
            25 mins ago















            Not just arising/ceasing and removing greed/aversion, but also seeing any biases, attachments, egoistic motives, defensiveness, self-promotion etc.

            – Andrei Volkov
            6 mins ago





            Not just arising/ceasing and removing greed/aversion, but also seeing any biases, attachments, egoistic motives, defensiveness, self-promotion etc.

            – Andrei Volkov
            6 mins ago











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            And how, bhikkhus, does a bhikkhu exercise clear comprehension? Here, bhikkhus, for a bhikkhu feelings are understood as they arise,
            understood as they remain present, understood as they pass away.
            Thoughts are understood as they arise, understood as they remain
            present, understood as they pass away. Perceptions are understood as
            they arise, understood as they remain present, understood as they pass
            away. It is in this way, bhikkhus, that a bhikkhu exercises clear
            comprehension.



            SN 47.35




            The above means feelings, perceptions & thoughts are clearly understood in terms of the Dhamma, namely, they are impermanent, not-self, not to be clung to.



            Note: This is not vipassana, namely, observing arising & passing of feelings, perceptions & thoughts. It is understanding feelings, perceptions & thoughts, including when they are purposefully used. Thus, when speaking to another, for example, the mind understands: "These thoughts are conventions, subjective, not to be clung to, etc".




            And how, bhikkhus, does a bhikkhu exercise clear comprehension? Here, bhikkhus, a bhikkhu is one who acts with clear comprehension when
            going forward and returning; when looking ahead and looking aside;
            when drawing in and extending the limbs; when wearing his robes and
            carrying his outer robe and bowl; when eating, drinking, chewing his
            food, and tasting; when defecating and urinating; when walking,
            standing, sitting, falling asleep, waking up, speaking, and keeping
            silent. It is in such a way that a bhikkhu exercises clear
            comprehension.



            SN 47.2




            The above is exactly the same. When walking, the monk has clear-comprehension, such as: "I am monk; I must walk so I make a good public impression" or the monk reflects: "This walking is not self" (such as when Rahula was walking behind the Buddha in MN 62 and the Buddha rebuked Rahula for regarding the Buddha as a "self" or with "beauty").





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              And how, bhikkhus, does a bhikkhu exercise clear comprehension? Here, bhikkhus, for a bhikkhu feelings are understood as they arise,
              understood as they remain present, understood as they pass away.
              Thoughts are understood as they arise, understood as they remain
              present, understood as they pass away. Perceptions are understood as
              they arise, understood as they remain present, understood as they pass
              away. It is in this way, bhikkhus, that a bhikkhu exercises clear
              comprehension.



              SN 47.35




              The above means feelings, perceptions & thoughts are clearly understood in terms of the Dhamma, namely, they are impermanent, not-self, not to be clung to.



              Note: This is not vipassana, namely, observing arising & passing of feelings, perceptions & thoughts. It is understanding feelings, perceptions & thoughts, including when they are purposefully used. Thus, when speaking to another, for example, the mind understands: "These thoughts are conventions, subjective, not to be clung to, etc".




              And how, bhikkhus, does a bhikkhu exercise clear comprehension? Here, bhikkhus, a bhikkhu is one who acts with clear comprehension when
              going forward and returning; when looking ahead and looking aside;
              when drawing in and extending the limbs; when wearing his robes and
              carrying his outer robe and bowl; when eating, drinking, chewing his
              food, and tasting; when defecating and urinating; when walking,
              standing, sitting, falling asleep, waking up, speaking, and keeping
              silent. It is in such a way that a bhikkhu exercises clear
              comprehension.



              SN 47.2




              The above is exactly the same. When walking, the monk has clear-comprehension, such as: "I am monk; I must walk so I make a good public impression" or the monk reflects: "This walking is not self" (such as when Rahula was walking behind the Buddha in MN 62 and the Buddha rebuked Rahula for regarding the Buddha as a "self" or with "beauty").





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                And how, bhikkhus, does a bhikkhu exercise clear comprehension? Here, bhikkhus, for a bhikkhu feelings are understood as they arise,
                understood as they remain present, understood as they pass away.
                Thoughts are understood as they arise, understood as they remain
                present, understood as they pass away. Perceptions are understood as
                they arise, understood as they remain present, understood as they pass
                away. It is in this way, bhikkhus, that a bhikkhu exercises clear
                comprehension.



                SN 47.35




                The above means feelings, perceptions & thoughts are clearly understood in terms of the Dhamma, namely, they are impermanent, not-self, not to be clung to.



                Note: This is not vipassana, namely, observing arising & passing of feelings, perceptions & thoughts. It is understanding feelings, perceptions & thoughts, including when they are purposefully used. Thus, when speaking to another, for example, the mind understands: "These thoughts are conventions, subjective, not to be clung to, etc".




                And how, bhikkhus, does a bhikkhu exercise clear comprehension? Here, bhikkhus, a bhikkhu is one who acts with clear comprehension when
                going forward and returning; when looking ahead and looking aside;
                when drawing in and extending the limbs; when wearing his robes and
                carrying his outer robe and bowl; when eating, drinking, chewing his
                food, and tasting; when defecating and urinating; when walking,
                standing, sitting, falling asleep, waking up, speaking, and keeping
                silent. It is in such a way that a bhikkhu exercises clear
                comprehension.



                SN 47.2




                The above is exactly the same. When walking, the monk has clear-comprehension, such as: "I am monk; I must walk so I make a good public impression" or the monk reflects: "This walking is not self" (such as when Rahula was walking behind the Buddha in MN 62 and the Buddha rebuked Rahula for regarding the Buddha as a "self" or with "beauty").





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                And how, bhikkhus, does a bhikkhu exercise clear comprehension? Here, bhikkhus, for a bhikkhu feelings are understood as they arise,
                understood as they remain present, understood as they pass away.
                Thoughts are understood as they arise, understood as they remain
                present, understood as they pass away. Perceptions are understood as
                they arise, understood as they remain present, understood as they pass
                away. It is in this way, bhikkhus, that a bhikkhu exercises clear
                comprehension.



                SN 47.35




                The above means feelings, perceptions & thoughts are clearly understood in terms of the Dhamma, namely, they are impermanent, not-self, not to be clung to.



                Note: This is not vipassana, namely, observing arising & passing of feelings, perceptions & thoughts. It is understanding feelings, perceptions & thoughts, including when they are purposefully used. Thus, when speaking to another, for example, the mind understands: "These thoughts are conventions, subjective, not to be clung to, etc".




                And how, bhikkhus, does a bhikkhu exercise clear comprehension? Here, bhikkhus, a bhikkhu is one who acts with clear comprehension when
                going forward and returning; when looking ahead and looking aside;
                when drawing in and extending the limbs; when wearing his robes and
                carrying his outer robe and bowl; when eating, drinking, chewing his
                food, and tasting; when defecating and urinating; when walking,
                standing, sitting, falling asleep, waking up, speaking, and keeping
                silent. It is in such a way that a bhikkhu exercises clear
                comprehension.



                SN 47.2




                The above is exactly the same. When walking, the monk has clear-comprehension, such as: "I am monk; I must walk so I make a good public impression" or the monk reflects: "This walking is not self" (such as when Rahula was walking behind the Buddha in MN 62 and the Buddha rebuked Rahula for regarding the Buddha as a "self" or with "beauty").






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