Was there conservative outrage over the video of Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez dancing?












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There have been several stories in the media about how a video of Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez dancing has caused conservatives to attack her for it.



News sources where this claim is made:





  1. So when an old video of her as a college student emerged, some of them [conservatives] darn near lost their minds.
    MSNBC




  2. I love how Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez has turned American politics into a live action Footloose. People dancing!? Oh the horror! Where will it end?
    New York Times




  3. I hear the GOP thinks women dancing are scandalous. -Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez
    CNN




  4. After several conservative Twitter accounts resurfaced clips from the video this week in an attempt to mock Ocasio-Cortez, supporters rushed to her defense.
    USA Today




  5. Conservatives Try to Shame Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez for Dancing Video from College



    Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez danced around once in college — and conservatives lost it.
    Now This News




  6. Conservatives Mock Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez for College Dancing Video, Everyone Else Thinks it's Adorable
    Newsweek




However, among all these different stories, there has only been one example cited where she was attacked for the dancing video, a tweet from an anonymous twitter account.



Are there notable examples of any prominent conservatives attacking Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez for the dance? Any evidence of a public upset among common conservatives? Are all of these news stories only based on this one random tweet (in which case is it fair to say that the news stories are false when they claim that conservatives are "losing their minds" over the video)?



An article from Fox News claims the outrage is fabricated:




An old video of now-Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez playfully recreating a dance scene from "The Breakfast Club" was resurfaced anonymously on Twitter last week -- resulting in a slew of misleading stories claiming conservatives were outraged over it, despite virtually no supporting evidence.











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    @Oddthinking Something along the lines of quotes or clips of conservative commentators attacking her. They are easy to find for other times that she has been mocked by conservatives for other things.
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    Closing because it's asking for a non-objective opinion. Furthermore, it attracted a slew of bad/non-referenced answers which we will likely need to delete
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    @Sklivvz What exactly is opinion-based here? Either there exist instances of conservatives criticising Cortez over her dance video, or there don't. I guess there's some subjectivity over who counts as a conservative or over whether any given piece of commentary is critical of her or not, but you can immediately see plenty of less clearly-defined questions on the site's front page right now or at skeptics.stackexchange.com/questions?pagesize=15&sort=votes.
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    @Sklivvz The closure leaves the polemics and individual speculation around, while preventing anyone who actually has some previously-unposted evidence to share from doing so; while I'm not an active member here, that strikes me as a worst-of-both-worlds solution.
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There have been several stories in the media about how a video of Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez dancing has caused conservatives to attack her for it.



News sources where this claim is made:





  1. So when an old video of her as a college student emerged, some of them [conservatives] darn near lost their minds.
    MSNBC




  2. I love how Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez has turned American politics into a live action Footloose. People dancing!? Oh the horror! Where will it end?
    New York Times




  3. I hear the GOP thinks women dancing are scandalous. -Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez
    CNN




  4. After several conservative Twitter accounts resurfaced clips from the video this week in an attempt to mock Ocasio-Cortez, supporters rushed to her defense.
    USA Today




  5. Conservatives Try to Shame Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez for Dancing Video from College



    Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez danced around once in college — and conservatives lost it.
    Now This News




  6. Conservatives Mock Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez for College Dancing Video, Everyone Else Thinks it's Adorable
    Newsweek




However, among all these different stories, there has only been one example cited where she was attacked for the dancing video, a tweet from an anonymous twitter account.



Are there notable examples of any prominent conservatives attacking Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez for the dance? Any evidence of a public upset among common conservatives? Are all of these news stories only based on this one random tweet (in which case is it fair to say that the news stories are false when they claim that conservatives are "losing their minds" over the video)?



An article from Fox News claims the outrage is fabricated:




An old video of now-Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez playfully recreating a dance scene from "The Breakfast Club" was resurfaced anonymously on Twitter last week -- resulting in a slew of misleading stories claiming conservatives were outraged over it, despite virtually no supporting evidence.











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    @Oddthinking Something along the lines of quotes or clips of conservative commentators attacking her. They are easy to find for other times that she has been mocked by conservatives for other things.
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    Closing because it's asking for a non-objective opinion. Furthermore, it attracted a slew of bad/non-referenced answers which we will likely need to delete
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    @Sklivvz What exactly is opinion-based here? Either there exist instances of conservatives criticising Cortez over her dance video, or there don't. I guess there's some subjectivity over who counts as a conservative or over whether any given piece of commentary is critical of her or not, but you can immediately see plenty of less clearly-defined questions on the site's front page right now or at skeptics.stackexchange.com/questions?pagesize=15&sort=votes.
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    @Sklivvz The closure leaves the polemics and individual speculation around, while preventing anyone who actually has some previously-unposted evidence to share from doing so; while I'm not an active member here, that strikes me as a worst-of-both-worlds solution.
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There have been several stories in the media about how a video of Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez dancing has caused conservatives to attack her for it.



News sources where this claim is made:





  1. So when an old video of her as a college student emerged, some of them [conservatives] darn near lost their minds.
    MSNBC




  2. I love how Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez has turned American politics into a live action Footloose. People dancing!? Oh the horror! Where will it end?
    New York Times




  3. I hear the GOP thinks women dancing are scandalous. -Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez
    CNN




  4. After several conservative Twitter accounts resurfaced clips from the video this week in an attempt to mock Ocasio-Cortez, supporters rushed to her defense.
    USA Today




  5. Conservatives Try to Shame Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez for Dancing Video from College



    Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez danced around once in college — and conservatives lost it.
    Now This News




  6. Conservatives Mock Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez for College Dancing Video, Everyone Else Thinks it's Adorable
    Newsweek




However, among all these different stories, there has only been one example cited where she was attacked for the dancing video, a tweet from an anonymous twitter account.



Are there notable examples of any prominent conservatives attacking Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez for the dance? Any evidence of a public upset among common conservatives? Are all of these news stories only based on this one random tweet (in which case is it fair to say that the news stories are false when they claim that conservatives are "losing their minds" over the video)?



An article from Fox News claims the outrage is fabricated:




An old video of now-Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez playfully recreating a dance scene from "The Breakfast Club" was resurfaced anonymously on Twitter last week -- resulting in a slew of misleading stories claiming conservatives were outraged over it, despite virtually no supporting evidence.











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There have been several stories in the media about how a video of Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez dancing has caused conservatives to attack her for it.



News sources where this claim is made:





  1. So when an old video of her as a college student emerged, some of them [conservatives] darn near lost their minds.
    MSNBC




  2. I love how Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez has turned American politics into a live action Footloose. People dancing!? Oh the horror! Where will it end?
    New York Times




  3. I hear the GOP thinks women dancing are scandalous. -Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez
    CNN




  4. After several conservative Twitter accounts resurfaced clips from the video this week in an attempt to mock Ocasio-Cortez, supporters rushed to her defense.
    USA Today




  5. Conservatives Try to Shame Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez for Dancing Video from College



    Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez danced around once in college — and conservatives lost it.
    Now This News




  6. Conservatives Mock Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez for College Dancing Video, Everyone Else Thinks it's Adorable
    Newsweek




However, among all these different stories, there has only been one example cited where she was attacked for the dancing video, a tweet from an anonymous twitter account.



Are there notable examples of any prominent conservatives attacking Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez for the dance? Any evidence of a public upset among common conservatives? Are all of these news stories only based on this one random tweet (in which case is it fair to say that the news stories are false when they claim that conservatives are "losing their minds" over the video)?



An article from Fox News claims the outrage is fabricated:




An old video of now-Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez playfully recreating a dance scene from "The Breakfast Club" was resurfaced anonymously on Twitter last week -- resulting in a slew of misleading stories claiming conservatives were outraged over it, despite virtually no supporting evidence.








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    @Oddthinking Something along the lines of quotes or clips of conservative commentators attacking her. They are easy to find for other times that she has been mocked by conservatives for other things.
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    Closing because it's asking for a non-objective opinion. Furthermore, it attracted a slew of bad/non-referenced answers which we will likely need to delete
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    @Sklivvz What exactly is opinion-based here? Either there exist instances of conservatives criticising Cortez over her dance video, or there don't. I guess there's some subjectivity over who counts as a conservative or over whether any given piece of commentary is critical of her or not, but you can immediately see plenty of less clearly-defined questions on the site's front page right now or at skeptics.stackexchange.com/questions?pagesize=15&sort=votes.
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    @Sklivvz The closure leaves the polemics and individual speculation around, while preventing anyone who actually has some previously-unposted evidence to share from doing so; while I'm not an active member here, that strikes me as a worst-of-both-worlds solution.
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    @Oddthinking Something along the lines of quotes or clips of conservative commentators attacking her. They are easy to find for other times that she has been mocked by conservatives for other things.
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    @Sklivvz What exactly is opinion-based here? Either there exist instances of conservatives criticising Cortez over her dance video, or there don't. I guess there's some subjectivity over who counts as a conservative or over whether any given piece of commentary is critical of her or not, but you can immediately see plenty of less clearly-defined questions on the site's front page right now or at skeptics.stackexchange.com/questions?pagesize=15&sort=votes.
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    @Sklivvz The closure leaves the polemics and individual speculation around, while preventing anyone who actually has some previously-unposted evidence to share from doing so; while I'm not an active member here, that strikes me as a worst-of-both-worlds solution.
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@Sklivvz What exactly is opinion-based here? Either there exist instances of conservatives criticising Cortez over her dance video, or there don't. I guess there's some subjectivity over who counts as a conservative or over whether any given piece of commentary is critical of her or not, but you can immediately see plenty of less clearly-defined questions on the site's front page right now or at skeptics.stackexchange.com/questions?pagesize=15&sort=votes.
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@Sklivvz What exactly is opinion-based here? Either there exist instances of conservatives criticising Cortez over her dance video, or there don't. I guess there's some subjectivity over who counts as a conservative or over whether any given piece of commentary is critical of her or not, but you can immediately see plenty of less clearly-defined questions on the site's front page right now or at skeptics.stackexchange.com/questions?pagesize=15&sort=votes.
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@Sklivvz The closure leaves the polemics and individual speculation around, while preventing anyone who actually has some previously-unposted evidence to share from doing so; while I'm not an active member here, that strikes me as a worst-of-both-worlds solution.
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In light of there being virtually no prominent conservative cited by any of the media outlets making the claim, and further in light of Fox News' through article (which you already cite), the burden of proof that a conservative outrage actually exists or existed is firmly in the claimants' hands. As that Fox article notes multiple times, not a single bit of evidence aside from an anonymous tweet can be found as the reason for this claim. Without an exhaustive search of all media, I'm not sure what else could be provided to disprove the claim. Without the claimants coming forward with real evidence, a skeptical position seems the most reasonable.



What I believe we are witness to here is an instance of a recent phenomenon. So called "Fake news" is perhaps the most comprehensive term, but in this instance, the drumming up of controversy from a small collection of tweets from common people with no audience is specifically what has happened. It's been determined that Twitter specifically is prone to spreading falsehoods (secondary source), but more and more people are depending on Twitter as a news source. Science News blames this on cleverly designed Twitter bots. The Guardian scathingly blames fellow journalists as self-referential and detached from the rest of the world outside their "twitter bubble". Ken Kam of Forbes, in an article on the rapidly changing landscape of news media, calls Twitter a direct line to newsworthy persons. Specifically, he means to point to President Trump, with with 50 million Twitter followers, whose Twitter use is only exacerbated by his belief that the news media will not report on him fairly.



With all this in mind, your inner skeptic should be screaming his head off the moment you see any news that has anything to do with the activities happening on Twitter. This Ocasio-Cortez dancing thing is only a recent example, egregious as it is.






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    While the factual claims in this post are fine, the Answer itself has political bias problems. It uses a source that claims a motive beyond the evidence given (saying the issue was manufactured, rather than just "we don't have evidence of the claim"), and uses a conservative definition of "fake news" which has been expanded from its original meaning of "entirely manufactured news" to "any news where accuracy is in question." The story may not be accurate, but it is my understanding that this SE attempts to remove all political bias from Answers.
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    @trlkly I can agree that Fox News has a bias, and I'm sure that shows in the article linked (which is the one I assume you are referring to). I think I was fair in my only sentence that says "fake news", being careful to not flat out call it that myself. Wrong? Certainly. Perpetuated by news media? Also true. Call it fake news or not, doesn't matter to me. I'm content with old fashioned "BS". I'd challenge your definition of "manufactured", if no-evidence half-cocked divisive BS doesn't count.
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    "there being virtually no prominent conservative cited by any of the media outlets" needs citation
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    @Sklivvz I assume he implicitly means "in the six news articles cited in the question". A reader of this answer is perfectly capable of opening them themselves to check if the claim is true; citing somebody else's commentary on them would be pointless.
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    @MarkAmery furthermore I can easily give the opposite answer using the same technique as the OP: "In light of these being reliable news sources, whereas Fox News has been considered extremely biased, I would assume they have sources that they chose not to disclose". See? It works either way, depending on our political position. No thanks.
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Someone had the foresight to archive the original tweet on archive.is. From that archive, we can see what the original account, and a few of the conservatives following it, actually thought.




@AnonymousQ1776: "Here is America’s favorite commie know-it-all acting like the clueless nitwit she is..."



Right-wing reply: "I actually find this endearing although she is completely out of her mind politically..." @AnonymousQ1776: "Agreed"



Right-wing reply: "Got to admit she is smokin' hot." @AnonymousQ1776: "First thing my liberal acquaintances say when she comes up in conversations. Bruh...she’s so hot!" Reply: "No brain, too bad."



Right-wing reply: "maybe Sandy from the Bronx was auditioning for a Fame remake.oh well politicians are just actors anyway." @AnonymousQ1776: "Agreed"



Combative reply: "You realize this just makes her look cool as hell right?" @AnonymousQ1776: "Really?"



Combative reply: "It’s a kid dancing, nitwit." @AnonymousQ1776: "No it’s a nitwit dancing, kid."




In summary, the original anonymous account thought the video made her look stupid. Some right-wing users agreed, while others disagreed. If the original account was trolling, they were doing a very good job looking authentic.



The MSNBC/NYT/CNN spin that these Twitter users were "losing their minds" and were representative of "the GOP" is hyperbolic. However, I think the description by USA Today is accurate. There was indeed a funny thread on Twitter which spawned memes.






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    I had upvoted you, but then you added the conlusory paragraph, where you present several opinion statements as factual, including one entirely superfluous about news integrity. You present your opinion of their motivations as factual. When dealing with claims that the news organizations known for decades for their accuracy are acting in bad faith, you need more than just your opinion to back that up.
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    It might be relevant to provide some information about the memes you mention, as this may be what the left-leaning news sources are trying to characterize as "losing their minds."
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    @Avery Yeah, my issue is precisely that "they aren't explicitly saying that dancing makes you look stupid" or even implying it. Even in the critical comments, there's no negative commentary on the dancing. It's not surprising that Cortez was criticised by right-wingers in a conversation about her. There's a big difference between Conservatives critical of self-identified socialist despite cute dance video (i.e. the story that the quoted exchange here shows, to my eyes) and Conservatives critical of self-identified socialist because of cute dance video (which is what was claimed).
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    That's a reasonable interpretation as well. While my personal commentary on the news reporting (and discussion of it) was removed, I do agree with you on the larger point that MSNBC, NYT, and CNN spun this single tweet far beyond what I would consider acceptable for major news media.
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It's important to note that you are the one using the term 'outrage' here. From the claims you quoted:




So when an old video of her as a college student emerged, some of them
[conservatives] darn near lost their minds.




This COULD be argued into meaning outrage, but isn't quite as strong. It can also mean they just all fell over each other to mock her.




I love how Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez has turned American politics into
a live action Footloose. People dancing!? Oh the horror! Where will it
end?




This COULD be argued into meaning outrage, but isn't quite as strong.




I hear the GOP thinks women dancing are scandalous. -Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez




This is not about outrage.




After several conservative Twitter accounts resurfaced clips from the video this week in an attempt to mock Ocasio-Cortez, supporters rushed to her defense.




This is about mocking, not outrage.




Conservatives Try to Shame Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez for Dancing Video from College




This is about mocking, not outrage.




Conservatives Mock Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez for College Dancing Video, Everyone Else Thinks it's Adorable




This is about mocking, not outrage.



Now you can still argue that the claims in the articles are exaggerated. It depends where you draw the line I suppose. I think we can all agree not ALL conservatives care about this. It's also fair to say that a number do. Here are some gems I screenshotted from a post by Youtube channel Conservative News. Starting with:




she's actually pretty hot when she keeps her mouth closed & her eyes at half-mast.




With some nice ones like




Anyone know which stripper club she used to work at? I've known plenty of strippers in my youth and I am positive she has experience working a pole on stage.




Or begrudging women like




Possibly the type for a one night stand, but definitely NOT something you'd take home to meet the family.




There are a lot more copies of the video circulating with a lot more similar comments. And these are all regular people, sure. I doubt any prominent GOP'ers are commenting in Youtube threads. There's another answer that mentions some tweets from them though.



Original video and comment thread can be found at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S04CGa44VP0



In conclusion, are conservatives massively outraged? I don't think so, but that is only a claim you're making in the first place. Are they mocking her, are there sexist comments, do they think it's scandalous and out of place for a woman to be dancing like this? That point can be made, by going about social media. Has there been an objective poll that asked a random sample of conservatives what they thought about the video? No. But if that's the kind of standard you would need to accept these claims then it's probably better to stop watching any news that mentions the opinion of large political groups about something.






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    Saying that conservatives viewed the video as a "scandalous" "horror" and "lost their minds" over it is basically synonymous with saying that there was "conservative outrage", as far as I can see. Thesauruses even directly list "outrageous" and "scandalous" as synonyms. The core argument here - that the premise of the question is flawed because the claim being asked about was never made - seems simply untrue to me.
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The original tweet about dancing came from an anonymous account, and indeed could have been done to make conservatives look stupid. However, noted and widely-read conservative pundit Jim Hoft (Gateway Pundit) retweeted it favorably. So at least he was outraged.






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    I don't I get outrage from his re-tweet, but good find nonetheless.
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    Why does a "favorable retweet" imply outrage? The linked article is talking about Ocasio-Cortez's "affluent" upbringing. Which also has nothing to do with dancing, but with her mischaracterization about her upbringing.
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    @jpmc26 I don't think the fauxtrage was ever about dancing per se, but about dancing while attending a private second-tier college (and I mean second-tier in a good way), even wearing a college sweater.
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As you and Fox News noted, there isn't much evidence by way of conservative outrage, at-least among notable conservatives, but there appears to be even less evidence of the Fox News claim of claimed outrage, and the people who are claiming there was no outrage are actually the same people claiming there were claims of outrage.



That's probably a bit confusing, but Fox News is actually makes two claims here.



Primary Claim: media claims of conservative outrage.




Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez dance video spurs false media claims of conservative outrage



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a slew of misleading stories claiming conservatives were outraged over it




Dependent Claim: those claims are false.




despite virtually no supporting evidence.




The problem with the dependent claim is it's moot if the primary claim is false.



These are the articles and tweet Fox appears to be referencing by publisher name (conveniently only 2 were actually linked for some reason).




  • https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/04/us/politics/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-dance-video.html

  • https://www.gq.com/story/aoc-dancing-right-wing

  • https://www.newsweek.com/alexndria-ocasio-cortez-conservatives-dancing-video-1278950

  • https://twitter.com/aoc/status/1081234130841600000

  • https://nowthisnews.com/videos/politics/conservatives-try-to-shame-alexandria-ocasio-cortez-for-college-video


None of them claim conservatives were outraged by the video though.



New York Times: just says it was posted with the intent to smear, not that people were angry when they saw it.




Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez Dancing Video Was Meant as a Smear, but It Backfired




They also quote a notable comedian hyperbolically suggesting there may have been outrage, but they do not endorse that opinion themselves.





“Man sexually assaults women in high school: ‘That was so long ago!’ Woman dances in high school: ‘We must set her ablaze.’”








GQ: article barely even mentions the video, it's mostly talking about a different controversy about her yearbook photos. Oddly enough, this is one they actually linked, so I'm sure it's the one they meant.






Newsweek: article says it was posted to mock her, not that people were angry when they saw it.




Conservatives Mock Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez for College Dancing Video



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several conservative Twitter feeds shared a video of her dancing on a rooftop







Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez: I'm not sure why Fox references this since she isn't in 'the media', but she made a humerus response video to the whole thing, using the word "scandalous" which doesn't necessarily imply "outrage", and in context of the tweet and video probably isn't serious.




I hear the GOP thinks women dancing are scandalous.



Wait till they find out Congresswomen dance too! 💃🏽



Have a great weekend everyone :)







Now This: Just says that they tried to shame her, and that "conservatives lost it".




Conservatives Try to Shame Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez for Dancing Video from College



Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez danced around once in college — and conservatives lost it.




It's a bit unclear what "lost it" means here. It could be outrage, or it could mean they mistakenly thought it would be a good way to shame her.



If feeling generous, you could give them 1/5 for the Now This article, but that's not "a slew" of stories, 1 isn't even plural.



Fox's claim of claimed outrage appears to be a bit of a straw man arguments for what the other outlets were claiming. It's a bit like fake-outrage-Inception.






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    This really reads like your personal opinion, but we only allowed referenced answers. Is there an authoritative source confirming they were outraged? Or that they were not? Otherwise our policy is not to answer.
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    The New York Times article you claim "just says was posted with the intent to smear" favourably quotes somebody asserting that conservatives want to "set her ablaze" (direct quote) in retaliation for her dance video. It seems to me that you have to use a remarkably narrow definition of "outrage" if being angry enough to set someone on fire doesn't count as being outraged. Yes, that wording was obviously deliberately hyperbolic, but the intended meaning is clear, and it is an assertion that people are outraged.
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In light of there being virtually no prominent conservative cited by any of the media outlets making the claim, and further in light of Fox News' through article (which you already cite), the burden of proof that a conservative outrage actually exists or existed is firmly in the claimants' hands. As that Fox article notes multiple times, not a single bit of evidence aside from an anonymous tweet can be found as the reason for this claim. Without an exhaustive search of all media, I'm not sure what else could be provided to disprove the claim. Without the claimants coming forward with real evidence, a skeptical position seems the most reasonable.



What I believe we are witness to here is an instance of a recent phenomenon. So called "Fake news" is perhaps the most comprehensive term, but in this instance, the drumming up of controversy from a small collection of tweets from common people with no audience is specifically what has happened. It's been determined that Twitter specifically is prone to spreading falsehoods (secondary source), but more and more people are depending on Twitter as a news source. Science News blames this on cleverly designed Twitter bots. The Guardian scathingly blames fellow journalists as self-referential and detached from the rest of the world outside their "twitter bubble". Ken Kam of Forbes, in an article on the rapidly changing landscape of news media, calls Twitter a direct line to newsworthy persons. Specifically, he means to point to President Trump, with with 50 million Twitter followers, whose Twitter use is only exacerbated by his belief that the news media will not report on him fairly.



With all this in mind, your inner skeptic should be screaming his head off the moment you see any news that has anything to do with the activities happening on Twitter. This Ocasio-Cortez dancing thing is only a recent example, egregious as it is.






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    While the factual claims in this post are fine, the Answer itself has political bias problems. It uses a source that claims a motive beyond the evidence given (saying the issue was manufactured, rather than just "we don't have evidence of the claim"), and uses a conservative definition of "fake news" which has been expanded from its original meaning of "entirely manufactured news" to "any news where accuracy is in question." The story may not be accurate, but it is my understanding that this SE attempts to remove all political bias from Answers.
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    @trlkly I can agree that Fox News has a bias, and I'm sure that shows in the article linked (which is the one I assume you are referring to). I think I was fair in my only sentence that says "fake news", being careful to not flat out call it that myself. Wrong? Certainly. Perpetuated by news media? Also true. Call it fake news or not, doesn't matter to me. I'm content with old fashioned "BS". I'd challenge your definition of "manufactured", if no-evidence half-cocked divisive BS doesn't count.
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    @Sklivvz I assume he implicitly means "in the six news articles cited in the question". A reader of this answer is perfectly capable of opening them themselves to check if the claim is true; citing somebody else's commentary on them would be pointless.
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    @MarkAmery furthermore I can easily give the opposite answer using the same technique as the OP: "In light of these being reliable news sources, whereas Fox News has been considered extremely biased, I would assume they have sources that they chose not to disclose". See? It works either way, depending on our political position. No thanks.
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In light of there being virtually no prominent conservative cited by any of the media outlets making the claim, and further in light of Fox News' through article (which you already cite), the burden of proof that a conservative outrage actually exists or existed is firmly in the claimants' hands. As that Fox article notes multiple times, not a single bit of evidence aside from an anonymous tweet can be found as the reason for this claim. Without an exhaustive search of all media, I'm not sure what else could be provided to disprove the claim. Without the claimants coming forward with real evidence, a skeptical position seems the most reasonable.



What I believe we are witness to here is an instance of a recent phenomenon. So called "Fake news" is perhaps the most comprehensive term, but in this instance, the drumming up of controversy from a small collection of tweets from common people with no audience is specifically what has happened. It's been determined that Twitter specifically is prone to spreading falsehoods (secondary source), but more and more people are depending on Twitter as a news source. Science News blames this on cleverly designed Twitter bots. The Guardian scathingly blames fellow journalists as self-referential and detached from the rest of the world outside their "twitter bubble". Ken Kam of Forbes, in an article on the rapidly changing landscape of news media, calls Twitter a direct line to newsworthy persons. Specifically, he means to point to President Trump, with with 50 million Twitter followers, whose Twitter use is only exacerbated by his belief that the news media will not report on him fairly.



With all this in mind, your inner skeptic should be screaming his head off the moment you see any news that has anything to do with the activities happening on Twitter. This Ocasio-Cortez dancing thing is only a recent example, egregious as it is.






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    While the factual claims in this post are fine, the Answer itself has political bias problems. It uses a source that claims a motive beyond the evidence given (saying the issue was manufactured, rather than just "we don't have evidence of the claim"), and uses a conservative definition of "fake news" which has been expanded from its original meaning of "entirely manufactured news" to "any news where accuracy is in question." The story may not be accurate, but it is my understanding that this SE attempts to remove all political bias from Answers.
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    @trlkly I can agree that Fox News has a bias, and I'm sure that shows in the article linked (which is the one I assume you are referring to). I think I was fair in my only sentence that says "fake news", being careful to not flat out call it that myself. Wrong? Certainly. Perpetuated by news media? Also true. Call it fake news or not, doesn't matter to me. I'm content with old fashioned "BS". I'd challenge your definition of "manufactured", if no-evidence half-cocked divisive BS doesn't count.
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    "there being virtually no prominent conservative cited by any of the media outlets" needs citation
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    @Sklivvz I assume he implicitly means "in the six news articles cited in the question". A reader of this answer is perfectly capable of opening them themselves to check if the claim is true; citing somebody else's commentary on them would be pointless.
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    @MarkAmery furthermore I can easily give the opposite answer using the same technique as the OP: "In light of these being reliable news sources, whereas Fox News has been considered extremely biased, I would assume they have sources that they chose not to disclose". See? It works either way, depending on our political position. No thanks.
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In light of there being virtually no prominent conservative cited by any of the media outlets making the claim, and further in light of Fox News' through article (which you already cite), the burden of proof that a conservative outrage actually exists or existed is firmly in the claimants' hands. As that Fox article notes multiple times, not a single bit of evidence aside from an anonymous tweet can be found as the reason for this claim. Without an exhaustive search of all media, I'm not sure what else could be provided to disprove the claim. Without the claimants coming forward with real evidence, a skeptical position seems the most reasonable.



What I believe we are witness to here is an instance of a recent phenomenon. So called "Fake news" is perhaps the most comprehensive term, but in this instance, the drumming up of controversy from a small collection of tweets from common people with no audience is specifically what has happened. It's been determined that Twitter specifically is prone to spreading falsehoods (secondary source), but more and more people are depending on Twitter as a news source. Science News blames this on cleverly designed Twitter bots. The Guardian scathingly blames fellow journalists as self-referential and detached from the rest of the world outside their "twitter bubble". Ken Kam of Forbes, in an article on the rapidly changing landscape of news media, calls Twitter a direct line to newsworthy persons. Specifically, he means to point to President Trump, with with 50 million Twitter followers, whose Twitter use is only exacerbated by his belief that the news media will not report on him fairly.



With all this in mind, your inner skeptic should be screaming his head off the moment you see any news that has anything to do with the activities happening on Twitter. This Ocasio-Cortez dancing thing is only a recent example, egregious as it is.






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In light of there being virtually no prominent conservative cited by any of the media outlets making the claim, and further in light of Fox News' through article (which you already cite), the burden of proof that a conservative outrage actually exists or existed is firmly in the claimants' hands. As that Fox article notes multiple times, not a single bit of evidence aside from an anonymous tweet can be found as the reason for this claim. Without an exhaustive search of all media, I'm not sure what else could be provided to disprove the claim. Without the claimants coming forward with real evidence, a skeptical position seems the most reasonable.



What I believe we are witness to here is an instance of a recent phenomenon. So called "Fake news" is perhaps the most comprehensive term, but in this instance, the drumming up of controversy from a small collection of tweets from common people with no audience is specifically what has happened. It's been determined that Twitter specifically is prone to spreading falsehoods (secondary source), but more and more people are depending on Twitter as a news source. Science News blames this on cleverly designed Twitter bots. The Guardian scathingly blames fellow journalists as self-referential and detached from the rest of the world outside their "twitter bubble". Ken Kam of Forbes, in an article on the rapidly changing landscape of news media, calls Twitter a direct line to newsworthy persons. Specifically, he means to point to President Trump, with with 50 million Twitter followers, whose Twitter use is only exacerbated by his belief that the news media will not report on him fairly.



With all this in mind, your inner skeptic should be screaming his head off the moment you see any news that has anything to do with the activities happening on Twitter. This Ocasio-Cortez dancing thing is only a recent example, egregious as it is.







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    While the factual claims in this post are fine, the Answer itself has political bias problems. It uses a source that claims a motive beyond the evidence given (saying the issue was manufactured, rather than just "we don't have evidence of the claim"), and uses a conservative definition of "fake news" which has been expanded from its original meaning of "entirely manufactured news" to "any news where accuracy is in question." The story may not be accurate, but it is my understanding that this SE attempts to remove all political bias from Answers.
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    @trlkly I can agree that Fox News has a bias, and I'm sure that shows in the article linked (which is the one I assume you are referring to). I think I was fair in my only sentence that says "fake news", being careful to not flat out call it that myself. Wrong? Certainly. Perpetuated by news media? Also true. Call it fake news or not, doesn't matter to me. I'm content with old fashioned "BS". I'd challenge your definition of "manufactured", if no-evidence half-cocked divisive BS doesn't count.
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    @Sklivvz I assume he implicitly means "in the six news articles cited in the question". A reader of this answer is perfectly capable of opening them themselves to check if the claim is true; citing somebody else's commentary on them would be pointless.
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    @MarkAmery furthermore I can easily give the opposite answer using the same technique as the OP: "In light of these being reliable news sources, whereas Fox News has been considered extremely biased, I would assume they have sources that they chose not to disclose". See? It works either way, depending on our political position. No thanks.
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    While the factual claims in this post are fine, the Answer itself has political bias problems. It uses a source that claims a motive beyond the evidence given (saying the issue was manufactured, rather than just "we don't have evidence of the claim"), and uses a conservative definition of "fake news" which has been expanded from its original meaning of "entirely manufactured news" to "any news where accuracy is in question." The story may not be accurate, but it is my understanding that this SE attempts to remove all political bias from Answers.
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    @trlkly I can agree that Fox News has a bias, and I'm sure that shows in the article linked (which is the one I assume you are referring to). I think I was fair in my only sentence that says "fake news", being careful to not flat out call it that myself. Wrong? Certainly. Perpetuated by news media? Also true. Call it fake news or not, doesn't matter to me. I'm content with old fashioned "BS". I'd challenge your definition of "manufactured", if no-evidence half-cocked divisive BS doesn't count.
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    "there being virtually no prominent conservative cited by any of the media outlets" needs citation
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    @Sklivvz I assume he implicitly means "in the six news articles cited in the question". A reader of this answer is perfectly capable of opening them themselves to check if the claim is true; citing somebody else's commentary on them would be pointless.
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    @MarkAmery furthermore I can easily give the opposite answer using the same technique as the OP: "In light of these being reliable news sources, whereas Fox News has been considered extremely biased, I would assume they have sources that they chose not to disclose". See? It works either way, depending on our political position. No thanks.
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While the factual claims in this post are fine, the Answer itself has political bias problems. It uses a source that claims a motive beyond the evidence given (saying the issue was manufactured, rather than just "we don't have evidence of the claim"), and uses a conservative definition of "fake news" which has been expanded from its original meaning of "entirely manufactured news" to "any news where accuracy is in question." The story may not be accurate, but it is my understanding that this SE attempts to remove all political bias from Answers.
– trlkly
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While the factual claims in this post are fine, the Answer itself has political bias problems. It uses a source that claims a motive beyond the evidence given (saying the issue was manufactured, rather than just "we don't have evidence of the claim"), and uses a conservative definition of "fake news" which has been expanded from its original meaning of "entirely manufactured news" to "any news where accuracy is in question." The story may not be accurate, but it is my understanding that this SE attempts to remove all political bias from Answers.
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@trlkly I can agree that Fox News has a bias, and I'm sure that shows in the article linked (which is the one I assume you are referring to). I think I was fair in my only sentence that says "fake news", being careful to not flat out call it that myself. Wrong? Certainly. Perpetuated by news media? Also true. Call it fake news or not, doesn't matter to me. I'm content with old fashioned "BS". I'd challenge your definition of "manufactured", if no-evidence half-cocked divisive BS doesn't count.
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@trlkly I can agree that Fox News has a bias, and I'm sure that shows in the article linked (which is the one I assume you are referring to). I think I was fair in my only sentence that says "fake news", being careful to not flat out call it that myself. Wrong? Certainly. Perpetuated by news media? Also true. Call it fake news or not, doesn't matter to me. I'm content with old fashioned "BS". I'd challenge your definition of "manufactured", if no-evidence half-cocked divisive BS doesn't count.
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@Sklivvz I assume he implicitly means "in the six news articles cited in the question". A reader of this answer is perfectly capable of opening them themselves to check if the claim is true; citing somebody else's commentary on them would be pointless.
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@Sklivvz I assume he implicitly means "in the six news articles cited in the question". A reader of this answer is perfectly capable of opening them themselves to check if the claim is true; citing somebody else's commentary on them would be pointless.
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@MarkAmery furthermore I can easily give the opposite answer using the same technique as the OP: "In light of these being reliable news sources, whereas Fox News has been considered extremely biased, I would assume they have sources that they chose not to disclose". See? It works either way, depending on our political position. No thanks.
– Sklivvz
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@MarkAmery furthermore I can easily give the opposite answer using the same technique as the OP: "In light of these being reliable news sources, whereas Fox News has been considered extremely biased, I would assume they have sources that they chose not to disclose". See? It works either way, depending on our political position. No thanks.
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Someone had the foresight to archive the original tweet on archive.is. From that archive, we can see what the original account, and a few of the conservatives following it, actually thought.




@AnonymousQ1776: "Here is America’s favorite commie know-it-all acting like the clueless nitwit she is..."



Right-wing reply: "I actually find this endearing although she is completely out of her mind politically..." @AnonymousQ1776: "Agreed"



Right-wing reply: "Got to admit she is smokin' hot." @AnonymousQ1776: "First thing my liberal acquaintances say when she comes up in conversations. Bruh...she’s so hot!" Reply: "No brain, too bad."



Right-wing reply: "maybe Sandy from the Bronx was auditioning for a Fame remake.oh well politicians are just actors anyway." @AnonymousQ1776: "Agreed"



Combative reply: "You realize this just makes her look cool as hell right?" @AnonymousQ1776: "Really?"



Combative reply: "It’s a kid dancing, nitwit." @AnonymousQ1776: "No it’s a nitwit dancing, kid."




In summary, the original anonymous account thought the video made her look stupid. Some right-wing users agreed, while others disagreed. If the original account was trolling, they were doing a very good job looking authentic.



The MSNBC/NYT/CNN spin that these Twitter users were "losing their minds" and were representative of "the GOP" is hyperbolic. However, I think the description by USA Today is accurate. There was indeed a funny thread on Twitter which spawned memes.






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    I had upvoted you, but then you added the conlusory paragraph, where you present several opinion statements as factual, including one entirely superfluous about news integrity. You present your opinion of their motivations as factual. When dealing with claims that the news organizations known for decades for their accuracy are acting in bad faith, you need more than just your opinion to back that up.
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    It might be relevant to provide some information about the memes you mention, as this may be what the left-leaning news sources are trying to characterize as "losing their minds."
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    @Avery Yeah, my issue is precisely that "they aren't explicitly saying that dancing makes you look stupid" or even implying it. Even in the critical comments, there's no negative commentary on the dancing. It's not surprising that Cortez was criticised by right-wingers in a conversation about her. There's a big difference between Conservatives critical of self-identified socialist despite cute dance video (i.e. the story that the quoted exchange here shows, to my eyes) and Conservatives critical of self-identified socialist because of cute dance video (which is what was claimed).
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    That's a reasonable interpretation as well. While my personal commentary on the news reporting (and discussion of it) was removed, I do agree with you on the larger point that MSNBC, NYT, and CNN spun this single tweet far beyond what I would consider acceptable for major news media.
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Someone had the foresight to archive the original tweet on archive.is. From that archive, we can see what the original account, and a few of the conservatives following it, actually thought.




@AnonymousQ1776: "Here is America’s favorite commie know-it-all acting like the clueless nitwit she is..."



Right-wing reply: "I actually find this endearing although she is completely out of her mind politically..." @AnonymousQ1776: "Agreed"



Right-wing reply: "Got to admit she is smokin' hot." @AnonymousQ1776: "First thing my liberal acquaintances say when she comes up in conversations. Bruh...she’s so hot!" Reply: "No brain, too bad."



Right-wing reply: "maybe Sandy from the Bronx was auditioning for a Fame remake.oh well politicians are just actors anyway." @AnonymousQ1776: "Agreed"



Combative reply: "You realize this just makes her look cool as hell right?" @AnonymousQ1776: "Really?"



Combative reply: "It’s a kid dancing, nitwit." @AnonymousQ1776: "No it’s a nitwit dancing, kid."




In summary, the original anonymous account thought the video made her look stupid. Some right-wing users agreed, while others disagreed. If the original account was trolling, they were doing a very good job looking authentic.



The MSNBC/NYT/CNN spin that these Twitter users were "losing their minds" and were representative of "the GOP" is hyperbolic. However, I think the description by USA Today is accurate. There was indeed a funny thread on Twitter which spawned memes.






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    I had upvoted you, but then you added the conlusory paragraph, where you present several opinion statements as factual, including one entirely superfluous about news integrity. You present your opinion of their motivations as factual. When dealing with claims that the news organizations known for decades for their accuracy are acting in bad faith, you need more than just your opinion to back that up.
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    Thanks for your feedback; I removed the characterizations accordingly
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    It might be relevant to provide some information about the memes you mention, as this may be what the left-leaning news sources are trying to characterize as "losing their minds."
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    @Avery Yeah, my issue is precisely that "they aren't explicitly saying that dancing makes you look stupid" or even implying it. Even in the critical comments, there's no negative commentary on the dancing. It's not surprising that Cortez was criticised by right-wingers in a conversation about her. There's a big difference between Conservatives critical of self-identified socialist despite cute dance video (i.e. the story that the quoted exchange here shows, to my eyes) and Conservatives critical of self-identified socialist because of cute dance video (which is what was claimed).
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    That's a reasonable interpretation as well. While my personal commentary on the news reporting (and discussion of it) was removed, I do agree with you on the larger point that MSNBC, NYT, and CNN spun this single tweet far beyond what I would consider acceptable for major news media.
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Someone had the foresight to archive the original tweet on archive.is. From that archive, we can see what the original account, and a few of the conservatives following it, actually thought.




@AnonymousQ1776: "Here is America’s favorite commie know-it-all acting like the clueless nitwit she is..."



Right-wing reply: "I actually find this endearing although she is completely out of her mind politically..." @AnonymousQ1776: "Agreed"



Right-wing reply: "Got to admit she is smokin' hot." @AnonymousQ1776: "First thing my liberal acquaintances say when she comes up in conversations. Bruh...she’s so hot!" Reply: "No brain, too bad."



Right-wing reply: "maybe Sandy from the Bronx was auditioning for a Fame remake.oh well politicians are just actors anyway." @AnonymousQ1776: "Agreed"



Combative reply: "You realize this just makes her look cool as hell right?" @AnonymousQ1776: "Really?"



Combative reply: "It’s a kid dancing, nitwit." @AnonymousQ1776: "No it’s a nitwit dancing, kid."




In summary, the original anonymous account thought the video made her look stupid. Some right-wing users agreed, while others disagreed. If the original account was trolling, they were doing a very good job looking authentic.



The MSNBC/NYT/CNN spin that these Twitter users were "losing their minds" and were representative of "the GOP" is hyperbolic. However, I think the description by USA Today is accurate. There was indeed a funny thread on Twitter which spawned memes.






share|improve this answer














Someone had the foresight to archive the original tweet on archive.is. From that archive, we can see what the original account, and a few of the conservatives following it, actually thought.




@AnonymousQ1776: "Here is America’s favorite commie know-it-all acting like the clueless nitwit she is..."



Right-wing reply: "I actually find this endearing although she is completely out of her mind politically..." @AnonymousQ1776: "Agreed"



Right-wing reply: "Got to admit she is smokin' hot." @AnonymousQ1776: "First thing my liberal acquaintances say when she comes up in conversations. Bruh...she’s so hot!" Reply: "No brain, too bad."



Right-wing reply: "maybe Sandy from the Bronx was auditioning for a Fame remake.oh well politicians are just actors anyway." @AnonymousQ1776: "Agreed"



Combative reply: "You realize this just makes her look cool as hell right?" @AnonymousQ1776: "Really?"



Combative reply: "It’s a kid dancing, nitwit." @AnonymousQ1776: "No it’s a nitwit dancing, kid."




In summary, the original anonymous account thought the video made her look stupid. Some right-wing users agreed, while others disagreed. If the original account was trolling, they were doing a very good job looking authentic.



The MSNBC/NYT/CNN spin that these Twitter users were "losing their minds" and were representative of "the GOP" is hyperbolic. However, I think the description by USA Today is accurate. There was indeed a funny thread on Twitter which spawned memes.







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    I had upvoted you, but then you added the conlusory paragraph, where you present several opinion statements as factual, including one entirely superfluous about news integrity. You present your opinion of their motivations as factual. When dealing with claims that the news organizations known for decades for their accuracy are acting in bad faith, you need more than just your opinion to back that up.
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    Thanks for your feedback; I removed the characterizations accordingly
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    yesterday






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    It might be relevant to provide some information about the memes you mention, as this may be what the left-leaning news sources are trying to characterize as "losing their minds."
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    @Avery Yeah, my issue is precisely that "they aren't explicitly saying that dancing makes you look stupid" or even implying it. Even in the critical comments, there's no negative commentary on the dancing. It's not surprising that Cortez was criticised by right-wingers in a conversation about her. There's a big difference between Conservatives critical of self-identified socialist despite cute dance video (i.e. the story that the quoted exchange here shows, to my eyes) and Conservatives critical of self-identified socialist because of cute dance video (which is what was claimed).
    – Mark Amery
    19 hours ago








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    That's a reasonable interpretation as well. While my personal commentary on the news reporting (and discussion of it) was removed, I do agree with you on the larger point that MSNBC, NYT, and CNN spun this single tweet far beyond what I would consider acceptable for major news media.
    – Avery
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    I had upvoted you, but then you added the conlusory paragraph, where you present several opinion statements as factual, including one entirely superfluous about news integrity. You present your opinion of their motivations as factual. When dealing with claims that the news organizations known for decades for their accuracy are acting in bad faith, you need more than just your opinion to back that up.
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    Thanks for your feedback; I removed the characterizations accordingly
    – Avery
    yesterday






  • 2




    It might be relevant to provide some information about the memes you mention, as this may be what the left-leaning news sources are trying to characterize as "losing their minds."
    – jpmc26
    yesterday






  • 5




    @Avery Yeah, my issue is precisely that "they aren't explicitly saying that dancing makes you look stupid" or even implying it. Even in the critical comments, there's no negative commentary on the dancing. It's not surprising that Cortez was criticised by right-wingers in a conversation about her. There's a big difference between Conservatives critical of self-identified socialist despite cute dance video (i.e. the story that the quoted exchange here shows, to my eyes) and Conservatives critical of self-identified socialist because of cute dance video (which is what was claimed).
    – Mark Amery
    19 hours ago








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    That's a reasonable interpretation as well. While my personal commentary on the news reporting (and discussion of it) was removed, I do agree with you on the larger point that MSNBC, NYT, and CNN spun this single tweet far beyond what I would consider acceptable for major news media.
    – Avery
    17 hours ago








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I had upvoted you, but then you added the conlusory paragraph, where you present several opinion statements as factual, including one entirely superfluous about news integrity. You present your opinion of their motivations as factual. When dealing with claims that the news organizations known for decades for their accuracy are acting in bad faith, you need more than just your opinion to back that up.
– trlkly
yesterday




I had upvoted you, but then you added the conlusory paragraph, where you present several opinion statements as factual, including one entirely superfluous about news integrity. You present your opinion of their motivations as factual. When dealing with claims that the news organizations known for decades for their accuracy are acting in bad faith, you need more than just your opinion to back that up.
– trlkly
yesterday




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Thanks for your feedback; I removed the characterizations accordingly
– Avery
yesterday




Thanks for your feedback; I removed the characterizations accordingly
– Avery
yesterday




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It might be relevant to provide some information about the memes you mention, as this may be what the left-leaning news sources are trying to characterize as "losing their minds."
– jpmc26
yesterday




It might be relevant to provide some information about the memes you mention, as this may be what the left-leaning news sources are trying to characterize as "losing their minds."
– jpmc26
yesterday




5




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@Avery Yeah, my issue is precisely that "they aren't explicitly saying that dancing makes you look stupid" or even implying it. Even in the critical comments, there's no negative commentary on the dancing. It's not surprising that Cortez was criticised by right-wingers in a conversation about her. There's a big difference between Conservatives critical of self-identified socialist despite cute dance video (i.e. the story that the quoted exchange here shows, to my eyes) and Conservatives critical of self-identified socialist because of cute dance video (which is what was claimed).
– Mark Amery
19 hours ago






@Avery Yeah, my issue is precisely that "they aren't explicitly saying that dancing makes you look stupid" or even implying it. Even in the critical comments, there's no negative commentary on the dancing. It's not surprising that Cortez was criticised by right-wingers in a conversation about her. There's a big difference between Conservatives critical of self-identified socialist despite cute dance video (i.e. the story that the quoted exchange here shows, to my eyes) and Conservatives critical of self-identified socialist because of cute dance video (which is what was claimed).
– Mark Amery
19 hours ago






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That's a reasonable interpretation as well. While my personal commentary on the news reporting (and discussion of it) was removed, I do agree with you on the larger point that MSNBC, NYT, and CNN spun this single tweet far beyond what I would consider acceptable for major news media.
– Avery
17 hours ago




That's a reasonable interpretation as well. While my personal commentary on the news reporting (and discussion of it) was removed, I do agree with you on the larger point that MSNBC, NYT, and CNN spun this single tweet far beyond what I would consider acceptable for major news media.
– Avery
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It's important to note that you are the one using the term 'outrage' here. From the claims you quoted:




So when an old video of her as a college student emerged, some of them
[conservatives] darn near lost their minds.




This COULD be argued into meaning outrage, but isn't quite as strong. It can also mean they just all fell over each other to mock her.




I love how Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez has turned American politics into
a live action Footloose. People dancing!? Oh the horror! Where will it
end?




This COULD be argued into meaning outrage, but isn't quite as strong.




I hear the GOP thinks women dancing are scandalous. -Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez




This is not about outrage.




After several conservative Twitter accounts resurfaced clips from the video this week in an attempt to mock Ocasio-Cortez, supporters rushed to her defense.




This is about mocking, not outrage.




Conservatives Try to Shame Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez for Dancing Video from College




This is about mocking, not outrage.




Conservatives Mock Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez for College Dancing Video, Everyone Else Thinks it's Adorable




This is about mocking, not outrage.



Now you can still argue that the claims in the articles are exaggerated. It depends where you draw the line I suppose. I think we can all agree not ALL conservatives care about this. It's also fair to say that a number do. Here are some gems I screenshotted from a post by Youtube channel Conservative News. Starting with:




she's actually pretty hot when she keeps her mouth closed & her eyes at half-mast.




With some nice ones like




Anyone know which stripper club she used to work at? I've known plenty of strippers in my youth and I am positive she has experience working a pole on stage.




Or begrudging women like




Possibly the type for a one night stand, but definitely NOT something you'd take home to meet the family.




There are a lot more copies of the video circulating with a lot more similar comments. And these are all regular people, sure. I doubt any prominent GOP'ers are commenting in Youtube threads. There's another answer that mentions some tweets from them though.



Original video and comment thread can be found at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S04CGa44VP0



In conclusion, are conservatives massively outraged? I don't think so, but that is only a claim you're making in the first place. Are they mocking her, are there sexist comments, do they think it's scandalous and out of place for a woman to be dancing like this? That point can be made, by going about social media. Has there been an objective poll that asked a random sample of conservatives what they thought about the video? No. But if that's the kind of standard you would need to accept these claims then it's probably better to stop watching any news that mentions the opinion of large political groups about something.






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    I should have said “mocking”’rather than “outrage” in my original question; that was my mistake.
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  • This really reads like your personal opinion, but we only allowed referenced answers. Is there an authoritative source confirming they were outraged? Or that they were not? Otherwise our policy is not to answer.
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    Saying that conservatives viewed the video as a "scandalous" "horror" and "lost their minds" over it is basically synonymous with saying that there was "conservative outrage", as far as I can see. Thesauruses even directly list "outrageous" and "scandalous" as synonyms. The core argument here - that the premise of the question is flawed because the claim being asked about was never made - seems simply untrue to me.
    – Mark Amery
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It's important to note that you are the one using the term 'outrage' here. From the claims you quoted:




So when an old video of her as a college student emerged, some of them
[conservatives] darn near lost their minds.




This COULD be argued into meaning outrage, but isn't quite as strong. It can also mean they just all fell over each other to mock her.




I love how Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez has turned American politics into
a live action Footloose. People dancing!? Oh the horror! Where will it
end?




This COULD be argued into meaning outrage, but isn't quite as strong.




I hear the GOP thinks women dancing are scandalous. -Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez




This is not about outrage.




After several conservative Twitter accounts resurfaced clips from the video this week in an attempt to mock Ocasio-Cortez, supporters rushed to her defense.




This is about mocking, not outrage.




Conservatives Try to Shame Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez for Dancing Video from College




This is about mocking, not outrage.




Conservatives Mock Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez for College Dancing Video, Everyone Else Thinks it's Adorable




This is about mocking, not outrage.



Now you can still argue that the claims in the articles are exaggerated. It depends where you draw the line I suppose. I think we can all agree not ALL conservatives care about this. It's also fair to say that a number do. Here are some gems I screenshotted from a post by Youtube channel Conservative News. Starting with:




she's actually pretty hot when she keeps her mouth closed & her eyes at half-mast.




With some nice ones like




Anyone know which stripper club she used to work at? I've known plenty of strippers in my youth and I am positive she has experience working a pole on stage.




Or begrudging women like




Possibly the type for a one night stand, but definitely NOT something you'd take home to meet the family.




There are a lot more copies of the video circulating with a lot more similar comments. And these are all regular people, sure. I doubt any prominent GOP'ers are commenting in Youtube threads. There's another answer that mentions some tweets from them though.



Original video and comment thread can be found at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S04CGa44VP0



In conclusion, are conservatives massively outraged? I don't think so, but that is only a claim you're making in the first place. Are they mocking her, are there sexist comments, do they think it's scandalous and out of place for a woman to be dancing like this? That point can be made, by going about social media. Has there been an objective poll that asked a random sample of conservatives what they thought about the video? No. But if that's the kind of standard you would need to accept these claims then it's probably better to stop watching any news that mentions the opinion of large political groups about something.






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    I should have said “mocking”’rather than “outrage” in my original question; that was my mistake.
    – GendoIkari
    yesterday










  • This really reads like your personal opinion, but we only allowed referenced answers. Is there an authoritative source confirming they were outraged? Or that they were not? Otherwise our policy is not to answer.
    – Sklivvz
    22 hours ago








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    Saying that conservatives viewed the video as a "scandalous" "horror" and "lost their minds" over it is basically synonymous with saying that there was "conservative outrage", as far as I can see. Thesauruses even directly list "outrageous" and "scandalous" as synonyms. The core argument here - that the premise of the question is flawed because the claim being asked about was never made - seems simply untrue to me.
    – Mark Amery
    22 hours ago
















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It's important to note that you are the one using the term 'outrage' here. From the claims you quoted:




So when an old video of her as a college student emerged, some of them
[conservatives] darn near lost their minds.




This COULD be argued into meaning outrage, but isn't quite as strong. It can also mean they just all fell over each other to mock her.




I love how Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez has turned American politics into
a live action Footloose. People dancing!? Oh the horror! Where will it
end?




This COULD be argued into meaning outrage, but isn't quite as strong.




I hear the GOP thinks women dancing are scandalous. -Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez




This is not about outrage.




After several conservative Twitter accounts resurfaced clips from the video this week in an attempt to mock Ocasio-Cortez, supporters rushed to her defense.




This is about mocking, not outrage.




Conservatives Try to Shame Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez for Dancing Video from College




This is about mocking, not outrage.




Conservatives Mock Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez for College Dancing Video, Everyone Else Thinks it's Adorable




This is about mocking, not outrage.



Now you can still argue that the claims in the articles are exaggerated. It depends where you draw the line I suppose. I think we can all agree not ALL conservatives care about this. It's also fair to say that a number do. Here are some gems I screenshotted from a post by Youtube channel Conservative News. Starting with:




she's actually pretty hot when she keeps her mouth closed & her eyes at half-mast.




With some nice ones like




Anyone know which stripper club she used to work at? I've known plenty of strippers in my youth and I am positive she has experience working a pole on stage.




Or begrudging women like




Possibly the type for a one night stand, but definitely NOT something you'd take home to meet the family.




There are a lot more copies of the video circulating with a lot more similar comments. And these are all regular people, sure. I doubt any prominent GOP'ers are commenting in Youtube threads. There's another answer that mentions some tweets from them though.



Original video and comment thread can be found at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S04CGa44VP0



In conclusion, are conservatives massively outraged? I don't think so, but that is only a claim you're making in the first place. Are they mocking her, are there sexist comments, do they think it's scandalous and out of place for a woman to be dancing like this? That point can be made, by going about social media. Has there been an objective poll that asked a random sample of conservatives what they thought about the video? No. But if that's the kind of standard you would need to accept these claims then it's probably better to stop watching any news that mentions the opinion of large political groups about something.






share|improve this answer














It's important to note that you are the one using the term 'outrage' here. From the claims you quoted:




So when an old video of her as a college student emerged, some of them
[conservatives] darn near lost their minds.




This COULD be argued into meaning outrage, but isn't quite as strong. It can also mean they just all fell over each other to mock her.




I love how Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez has turned American politics into
a live action Footloose. People dancing!? Oh the horror! Where will it
end?




This COULD be argued into meaning outrage, but isn't quite as strong.




I hear the GOP thinks women dancing are scandalous. -Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez




This is not about outrage.




After several conservative Twitter accounts resurfaced clips from the video this week in an attempt to mock Ocasio-Cortez, supporters rushed to her defense.




This is about mocking, not outrage.




Conservatives Try to Shame Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez for Dancing Video from College




This is about mocking, not outrage.




Conservatives Mock Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez for College Dancing Video, Everyone Else Thinks it's Adorable




This is about mocking, not outrage.



Now you can still argue that the claims in the articles are exaggerated. It depends where you draw the line I suppose. I think we can all agree not ALL conservatives care about this. It's also fair to say that a number do. Here are some gems I screenshotted from a post by Youtube channel Conservative News. Starting with:




she's actually pretty hot when she keeps her mouth closed & her eyes at half-mast.




With some nice ones like




Anyone know which stripper club she used to work at? I've known plenty of strippers in my youth and I am positive she has experience working a pole on stage.




Or begrudging women like




Possibly the type for a one night stand, but definitely NOT something you'd take home to meet the family.




There are a lot more copies of the video circulating with a lot more similar comments. And these are all regular people, sure. I doubt any prominent GOP'ers are commenting in Youtube threads. There's another answer that mentions some tweets from them though.



Original video and comment thread can be found at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S04CGa44VP0



In conclusion, are conservatives massively outraged? I don't think so, but that is only a claim you're making in the first place. Are they mocking her, are there sexist comments, do they think it's scandalous and out of place for a woman to be dancing like this? That point can be made, by going about social media. Has there been an objective poll that asked a random sample of conservatives what they thought about the video? No. But if that's the kind of standard you would need to accept these claims then it's probably better to stop watching any news that mentions the opinion of large political groups about something.







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    I should have said “mocking”’rather than “outrage” in my original question; that was my mistake.
    – GendoIkari
    yesterday










  • This really reads like your personal opinion, but we only allowed referenced answers. Is there an authoritative source confirming they were outraged? Or that they were not? Otherwise our policy is not to answer.
    – Sklivvz
    22 hours ago








  • 4




    Saying that conservatives viewed the video as a "scandalous" "horror" and "lost their minds" over it is basically synonymous with saying that there was "conservative outrage", as far as I can see. Thesauruses even directly list "outrageous" and "scandalous" as synonyms. The core argument here - that the premise of the question is flawed because the claim being asked about was never made - seems simply untrue to me.
    – Mark Amery
    22 hours ago
















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    I should have said “mocking”’rather than “outrage” in my original question; that was my mistake.
    – GendoIkari
    yesterday










  • This really reads like your personal opinion, but we only allowed referenced answers. Is there an authoritative source confirming they were outraged? Or that they were not? Otherwise our policy is not to answer.
    – Sklivvz
    22 hours ago








  • 4




    Saying that conservatives viewed the video as a "scandalous" "horror" and "lost their minds" over it is basically synonymous with saying that there was "conservative outrage", as far as I can see. Thesauruses even directly list "outrageous" and "scandalous" as synonyms. The core argument here - that the premise of the question is flawed because the claim being asked about was never made - seems simply untrue to me.
    – Mark Amery
    22 hours ago










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I should have said “mocking”’rather than “outrage” in my original question; that was my mistake.
– GendoIkari
yesterday




I should have said “mocking”’rather than “outrage” in my original question; that was my mistake.
– GendoIkari
yesterday












This really reads like your personal opinion, but we only allowed referenced answers. Is there an authoritative source confirming they were outraged? Or that they were not? Otherwise our policy is not to answer.
– Sklivvz
22 hours ago






This really reads like your personal opinion, but we only allowed referenced answers. Is there an authoritative source confirming they were outraged? Or that they were not? Otherwise our policy is not to answer.
– Sklivvz
22 hours ago






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4




Saying that conservatives viewed the video as a "scandalous" "horror" and "lost their minds" over it is basically synonymous with saying that there was "conservative outrage", as far as I can see. Thesauruses even directly list "outrageous" and "scandalous" as synonyms. The core argument here - that the premise of the question is flawed because the claim being asked about was never made - seems simply untrue to me.
– Mark Amery
22 hours ago






Saying that conservatives viewed the video as a "scandalous" "horror" and "lost their minds" over it is basically synonymous with saying that there was "conservative outrage", as far as I can see. Thesauruses even directly list "outrageous" and "scandalous" as synonyms. The core argument here - that the premise of the question is flawed because the claim being asked about was never made - seems simply untrue to me.
– Mark Amery
22 hours ago













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The original tweet about dancing came from an anonymous account, and indeed could have been done to make conservatives look stupid. However, noted and widely-read conservative pundit Jim Hoft (Gateway Pundit) retweeted it favorably. So at least he was outraged.






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    I don't I get outrage from his re-tweet, but good find nonetheless.
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    Why does a "favorable retweet" imply outrage? The linked article is talking about Ocasio-Cortez's "affluent" upbringing. Which also has nothing to do with dancing, but with her mischaracterization about her upbringing.
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    yesterday








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    @jpmc26 I don't think the fauxtrage was ever about dancing per se, but about dancing while attending a private second-tier college (and I mean second-tier in a good way), even wearing a college sweater.
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    15 hours ago
















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The original tweet about dancing came from an anonymous account, and indeed could have been done to make conservatives look stupid. However, noted and widely-read conservative pundit Jim Hoft (Gateway Pundit) retweeted it favorably. So at least he was outraged.






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    I don't I get outrage from his re-tweet, but good find nonetheless.
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    Why does a "favorable retweet" imply outrage? The linked article is talking about Ocasio-Cortez's "affluent" upbringing. Which also has nothing to do with dancing, but with her mischaracterization about her upbringing.
    – jpmc26
    yesterday








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    @jpmc26 I don't think the fauxtrage was ever about dancing per se, but about dancing while attending a private second-tier college (and I mean second-tier in a good way), even wearing a college sweater.
    – Andrew Lazarus
    15 hours ago














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The original tweet about dancing came from an anonymous account, and indeed could have been done to make conservatives look stupid. However, noted and widely-read conservative pundit Jim Hoft (Gateway Pundit) retweeted it favorably. So at least he was outraged.






share|improve this answer












The original tweet about dancing came from an anonymous account, and indeed could have been done to make conservatives look stupid. However, noted and widely-read conservative pundit Jim Hoft (Gateway Pundit) retweeted it favorably. So at least he was outraged.







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    I don't I get outrage from his re-tweet, but good find nonetheless.
    – fredsbend
    yesterday








  • 2




    Why does a "favorable retweet" imply outrage? The linked article is talking about Ocasio-Cortez's "affluent" upbringing. Which also has nothing to do with dancing, but with her mischaracterization about her upbringing.
    – jpmc26
    yesterday








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    @jpmc26 I don't think the fauxtrage was ever about dancing per se, but about dancing while attending a private second-tier college (and I mean second-tier in a good way), even wearing a college sweater.
    – Andrew Lazarus
    15 hours ago














  • 4




    I don't I get outrage from his re-tweet, but good find nonetheless.
    – fredsbend
    yesterday








  • 2




    Why does a "favorable retweet" imply outrage? The linked article is talking about Ocasio-Cortez's "affluent" upbringing. Which also has nothing to do with dancing, but with her mischaracterization about her upbringing.
    – jpmc26
    yesterday








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    @jpmc26 I don't think the fauxtrage was ever about dancing per se, but about dancing while attending a private second-tier college (and I mean second-tier in a good way), even wearing a college sweater.
    – Andrew Lazarus
    15 hours ago








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I don't I get outrage from his re-tweet, but good find nonetheless.
– fredsbend
yesterday






I don't I get outrage from his re-tweet, but good find nonetheless.
– fredsbend
yesterday






2




2




Why does a "favorable retweet" imply outrage? The linked article is talking about Ocasio-Cortez's "affluent" upbringing. Which also has nothing to do with dancing, but with her mischaracterization about her upbringing.
– jpmc26
yesterday






Why does a "favorable retweet" imply outrage? The linked article is talking about Ocasio-Cortez's "affluent" upbringing. Which also has nothing to do with dancing, but with her mischaracterization about her upbringing.
– jpmc26
yesterday






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1




@jpmc26 I don't think the fauxtrage was ever about dancing per se, but about dancing while attending a private second-tier college (and I mean second-tier in a good way), even wearing a college sweater.
– Andrew Lazarus
15 hours ago




@jpmc26 I don't think the fauxtrage was ever about dancing per se, but about dancing while attending a private second-tier college (and I mean second-tier in a good way), even wearing a college sweater.
– Andrew Lazarus
15 hours ago











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As you and Fox News noted, there isn't much evidence by way of conservative outrage, at-least among notable conservatives, but there appears to be even less evidence of the Fox News claim of claimed outrage, and the people who are claiming there was no outrage are actually the same people claiming there were claims of outrage.



That's probably a bit confusing, but Fox News is actually makes two claims here.



Primary Claim: media claims of conservative outrage.




Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez dance video spurs false media claims of conservative outrage



...



a slew of misleading stories claiming conservatives were outraged over it




Dependent Claim: those claims are false.




despite virtually no supporting evidence.




The problem with the dependent claim is it's moot if the primary claim is false.



These are the articles and tweet Fox appears to be referencing by publisher name (conveniently only 2 were actually linked for some reason).




  • https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/04/us/politics/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-dance-video.html

  • https://www.gq.com/story/aoc-dancing-right-wing

  • https://www.newsweek.com/alexndria-ocasio-cortez-conservatives-dancing-video-1278950

  • https://twitter.com/aoc/status/1081234130841600000

  • https://nowthisnews.com/videos/politics/conservatives-try-to-shame-alexandria-ocasio-cortez-for-college-video


None of them claim conservatives were outraged by the video though.



New York Times: just says it was posted with the intent to smear, not that people were angry when they saw it.




Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez Dancing Video Was Meant as a Smear, but It Backfired




They also quote a notable comedian hyperbolically suggesting there may have been outrage, but they do not endorse that opinion themselves.





“Man sexually assaults women in high school: ‘That was so long ago!’ Woman dances in high school: ‘We must set her ablaze.’”








GQ: article barely even mentions the video, it's mostly talking about a different controversy about her yearbook photos. Oddly enough, this is one they actually linked, so I'm sure it's the one they meant.






Newsweek: article says it was posted to mock her, not that people were angry when they saw it.




Conservatives Mock Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez for College Dancing Video



...



several conservative Twitter feeds shared a video of her dancing on a rooftop







Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez: I'm not sure why Fox references this since she isn't in 'the media', but she made a humerus response video to the whole thing, using the word "scandalous" which doesn't necessarily imply "outrage", and in context of the tweet and video probably isn't serious.




I hear the GOP thinks women dancing are scandalous.



Wait till they find out Congresswomen dance too! 💃🏽



Have a great weekend everyone :)







Now This: Just says that they tried to shame her, and that "conservatives lost it".




Conservatives Try to Shame Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez for Dancing Video from College



Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez danced around once in college — and conservatives lost it.




It's a bit unclear what "lost it" means here. It could be outrage, or it could mean they mistakenly thought it would be a good way to shame her.



If feeling generous, you could give them 1/5 for the Now This article, but that's not "a slew" of stories, 1 isn't even plural.



Fox's claim of claimed outrage appears to be a bit of a straw man arguments for what the other outlets were claiming. It's a bit like fake-outrage-Inception.






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    This really reads like your personal opinion, but we only allowed referenced answers. Is there an authoritative source confirming they were outraged? Or that they were not? Otherwise our policy is not to answer.
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    The New York Times article you claim "just says was posted with the intent to smear" favourably quotes somebody asserting that conservatives want to "set her ablaze" (direct quote) in retaliation for her dance video. It seems to me that you have to use a remarkably narrow definition of "outrage" if being angry enough to set someone on fire doesn't count as being outraged. Yes, that wording was obviously deliberately hyperbolic, but the intended meaning is clear, and it is an assertion that people are outraged.
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    22 hours ago












  • "Humerus response" -- that's cute!
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    20 hours ago










  • @MarkAmery You mean the quote the NYT clearly said was from a notable comedian in response to the whole thing? I wouldn't call that a "favourably" quote, it's just something someone notable said so NYT added it to the story.
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As you and Fox News noted, there isn't much evidence by way of conservative outrage, at-least among notable conservatives, but there appears to be even less evidence of the Fox News claim of claimed outrage, and the people who are claiming there was no outrage are actually the same people claiming there were claims of outrage.



That's probably a bit confusing, but Fox News is actually makes two claims here.



Primary Claim: media claims of conservative outrage.




Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez dance video spurs false media claims of conservative outrage



...



a slew of misleading stories claiming conservatives were outraged over it




Dependent Claim: those claims are false.




despite virtually no supporting evidence.




The problem with the dependent claim is it's moot if the primary claim is false.



These are the articles and tweet Fox appears to be referencing by publisher name (conveniently only 2 were actually linked for some reason).




  • https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/04/us/politics/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-dance-video.html

  • https://www.gq.com/story/aoc-dancing-right-wing

  • https://www.newsweek.com/alexndria-ocasio-cortez-conservatives-dancing-video-1278950

  • https://twitter.com/aoc/status/1081234130841600000

  • https://nowthisnews.com/videos/politics/conservatives-try-to-shame-alexandria-ocasio-cortez-for-college-video


None of them claim conservatives were outraged by the video though.



New York Times: just says it was posted with the intent to smear, not that people were angry when they saw it.




Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez Dancing Video Was Meant as a Smear, but It Backfired




They also quote a notable comedian hyperbolically suggesting there may have been outrage, but they do not endorse that opinion themselves.





“Man sexually assaults women in high school: ‘That was so long ago!’ Woman dances in high school: ‘We must set her ablaze.’”








GQ: article barely even mentions the video, it's mostly talking about a different controversy about her yearbook photos. Oddly enough, this is one they actually linked, so I'm sure it's the one they meant.






Newsweek: article says it was posted to mock her, not that people were angry when they saw it.




Conservatives Mock Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez for College Dancing Video



...



several conservative Twitter feeds shared a video of her dancing on a rooftop







Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez: I'm not sure why Fox references this since she isn't in 'the media', but she made a humerus response video to the whole thing, using the word "scandalous" which doesn't necessarily imply "outrage", and in context of the tweet and video probably isn't serious.




I hear the GOP thinks women dancing are scandalous.



Wait till they find out Congresswomen dance too! 💃🏽



Have a great weekend everyone :)







Now This: Just says that they tried to shame her, and that "conservatives lost it".




Conservatives Try to Shame Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez for Dancing Video from College



Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez danced around once in college — and conservatives lost it.




It's a bit unclear what "lost it" means here. It could be outrage, or it could mean they mistakenly thought it would be a good way to shame her.



If feeling generous, you could give them 1/5 for the Now This article, but that's not "a slew" of stories, 1 isn't even plural.



Fox's claim of claimed outrage appears to be a bit of a straw man arguments for what the other outlets were claiming. It's a bit like fake-outrage-Inception.






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    This really reads like your personal opinion, but we only allowed referenced answers. Is there an authoritative source confirming they were outraged? Or that they were not? Otherwise our policy is not to answer.
    – Sklivvz
    22 hours ago






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    The New York Times article you claim "just says was posted with the intent to smear" favourably quotes somebody asserting that conservatives want to "set her ablaze" (direct quote) in retaliation for her dance video. It seems to me that you have to use a remarkably narrow definition of "outrage" if being angry enough to set someone on fire doesn't count as being outraged. Yes, that wording was obviously deliberately hyperbolic, but the intended meaning is clear, and it is an assertion that people are outraged.
    – Mark Amery
    22 hours ago












  • "Humerus response" -- that's cute!
    – Daniel R Hicks
    20 hours ago










  • @MarkAmery You mean the quote the NYT clearly said was from a notable comedian in response to the whole thing? I wouldn't call that a "favourably" quote, it's just something someone notable said so NYT added it to the story.
    – CrackpotCrocodile
    13 hours ago










  • @fredsbend Remember not to abuse your comment privileges by posting pointless "+/-1 for reasons already said" comments.
    – CrackpotCrocodile
    12 hours ago
















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3








3






As you and Fox News noted, there isn't much evidence by way of conservative outrage, at-least among notable conservatives, but there appears to be even less evidence of the Fox News claim of claimed outrage, and the people who are claiming there was no outrage are actually the same people claiming there were claims of outrage.



That's probably a bit confusing, but Fox News is actually makes two claims here.



Primary Claim: media claims of conservative outrage.




Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez dance video spurs false media claims of conservative outrage



...



a slew of misleading stories claiming conservatives were outraged over it




Dependent Claim: those claims are false.




despite virtually no supporting evidence.




The problem with the dependent claim is it's moot if the primary claim is false.



These are the articles and tweet Fox appears to be referencing by publisher name (conveniently only 2 were actually linked for some reason).




  • https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/04/us/politics/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-dance-video.html

  • https://www.gq.com/story/aoc-dancing-right-wing

  • https://www.newsweek.com/alexndria-ocasio-cortez-conservatives-dancing-video-1278950

  • https://twitter.com/aoc/status/1081234130841600000

  • https://nowthisnews.com/videos/politics/conservatives-try-to-shame-alexandria-ocasio-cortez-for-college-video


None of them claim conservatives were outraged by the video though.



New York Times: just says it was posted with the intent to smear, not that people were angry when they saw it.




Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez Dancing Video Was Meant as a Smear, but It Backfired




They also quote a notable comedian hyperbolically suggesting there may have been outrage, but they do not endorse that opinion themselves.





“Man sexually assaults women in high school: ‘That was so long ago!’ Woman dances in high school: ‘We must set her ablaze.’”








GQ: article barely even mentions the video, it's mostly talking about a different controversy about her yearbook photos. Oddly enough, this is one they actually linked, so I'm sure it's the one they meant.






Newsweek: article says it was posted to mock her, not that people were angry when they saw it.




Conservatives Mock Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez for College Dancing Video



...



several conservative Twitter feeds shared a video of her dancing on a rooftop







Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez: I'm not sure why Fox references this since she isn't in 'the media', but she made a humerus response video to the whole thing, using the word "scandalous" which doesn't necessarily imply "outrage", and in context of the tweet and video probably isn't serious.




I hear the GOP thinks women dancing are scandalous.



Wait till they find out Congresswomen dance too! 💃🏽



Have a great weekend everyone :)







Now This: Just says that they tried to shame her, and that "conservatives lost it".




Conservatives Try to Shame Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez for Dancing Video from College



Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez danced around once in college — and conservatives lost it.




It's a bit unclear what "lost it" means here. It could be outrage, or it could mean they mistakenly thought it would be a good way to shame her.



If feeling generous, you could give them 1/5 for the Now This article, but that's not "a slew" of stories, 1 isn't even plural.



Fox's claim of claimed outrage appears to be a bit of a straw man arguments for what the other outlets were claiming. It's a bit like fake-outrage-Inception.






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As you and Fox News noted, there isn't much evidence by way of conservative outrage, at-least among notable conservatives, but there appears to be even less evidence of the Fox News claim of claimed outrage, and the people who are claiming there was no outrage are actually the same people claiming there were claims of outrage.



That's probably a bit confusing, but Fox News is actually makes two claims here.



Primary Claim: media claims of conservative outrage.




Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez dance video spurs false media claims of conservative outrage



...



a slew of misleading stories claiming conservatives were outraged over it




Dependent Claim: those claims are false.




despite virtually no supporting evidence.




The problem with the dependent claim is it's moot if the primary claim is false.



These are the articles and tweet Fox appears to be referencing by publisher name (conveniently only 2 were actually linked for some reason).




  • https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/04/us/politics/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-dance-video.html

  • https://www.gq.com/story/aoc-dancing-right-wing

  • https://www.newsweek.com/alexndria-ocasio-cortez-conservatives-dancing-video-1278950

  • https://twitter.com/aoc/status/1081234130841600000

  • https://nowthisnews.com/videos/politics/conservatives-try-to-shame-alexandria-ocasio-cortez-for-college-video


None of them claim conservatives were outraged by the video though.



New York Times: just says it was posted with the intent to smear, not that people were angry when they saw it.




Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez Dancing Video Was Meant as a Smear, but It Backfired




They also quote a notable comedian hyperbolically suggesting there may have been outrage, but they do not endorse that opinion themselves.





“Man sexually assaults women in high school: ‘That was so long ago!’ Woman dances in high school: ‘We must set her ablaze.’”








GQ: article barely even mentions the video, it's mostly talking about a different controversy about her yearbook photos. Oddly enough, this is one they actually linked, so I'm sure it's the one they meant.






Newsweek: article says it was posted to mock her, not that people were angry when they saw it.




Conservatives Mock Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez for College Dancing Video



...



several conservative Twitter feeds shared a video of her dancing on a rooftop







Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez: I'm not sure why Fox references this since she isn't in 'the media', but she made a humerus response video to the whole thing, using the word "scandalous" which doesn't necessarily imply "outrage", and in context of the tweet and video probably isn't serious.




I hear the GOP thinks women dancing are scandalous.



Wait till they find out Congresswomen dance too! 💃🏽



Have a great weekend everyone :)







Now This: Just says that they tried to shame her, and that "conservatives lost it".




Conservatives Try to Shame Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez for Dancing Video from College



Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez danced around once in college — and conservatives lost it.




It's a bit unclear what "lost it" means here. It could be outrage, or it could mean they mistakenly thought it would be a good way to shame her.



If feeling generous, you could give them 1/5 for the Now This article, but that's not "a slew" of stories, 1 isn't even plural.



Fox's claim of claimed outrage appears to be a bit of a straw man arguments for what the other outlets were claiming. It's a bit like fake-outrage-Inception.







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    This really reads like your personal opinion, but we only allowed referenced answers. Is there an authoritative source confirming they were outraged? Or that they were not? Otherwise our policy is not to answer.
    – Sklivvz
    22 hours ago






  • 3




    The New York Times article you claim "just says was posted with the intent to smear" favourably quotes somebody asserting that conservatives want to "set her ablaze" (direct quote) in retaliation for her dance video. It seems to me that you have to use a remarkably narrow definition of "outrage" if being angry enough to set someone on fire doesn't count as being outraged. Yes, that wording was obviously deliberately hyperbolic, but the intended meaning is clear, and it is an assertion that people are outraged.
    – Mark Amery
    22 hours ago












  • "Humerus response" -- that's cute!
    – Daniel R Hicks
    20 hours ago










  • @MarkAmery You mean the quote the NYT clearly said was from a notable comedian in response to the whole thing? I wouldn't call that a "favourably" quote, it's just something someone notable said so NYT added it to the story.
    – CrackpotCrocodile
    13 hours ago










  • @fredsbend Remember not to abuse your comment privileges by posting pointless "+/-1 for reasons already said" comments.
    – CrackpotCrocodile
    12 hours ago
















  • 1




    This really reads like your personal opinion, but we only allowed referenced answers. Is there an authoritative source confirming they were outraged? Or that they were not? Otherwise our policy is not to answer.
    – Sklivvz
    22 hours ago






  • 3




    The New York Times article you claim "just says was posted with the intent to smear" favourably quotes somebody asserting that conservatives want to "set her ablaze" (direct quote) in retaliation for her dance video. It seems to me that you have to use a remarkably narrow definition of "outrage" if being angry enough to set someone on fire doesn't count as being outraged. Yes, that wording was obviously deliberately hyperbolic, but the intended meaning is clear, and it is an assertion that people are outraged.
    – Mark Amery
    22 hours ago












  • "Humerus response" -- that's cute!
    – Daniel R Hicks
    20 hours ago










  • @MarkAmery You mean the quote the NYT clearly said was from a notable comedian in response to the whole thing? I wouldn't call that a "favourably" quote, it's just something someone notable said so NYT added it to the story.
    – CrackpotCrocodile
    13 hours ago










  • @fredsbend Remember not to abuse your comment privileges by posting pointless "+/-1 for reasons already said" comments.
    – CrackpotCrocodile
    12 hours ago










1




1




This really reads like your personal opinion, but we only allowed referenced answers. Is there an authoritative source confirming they were outraged? Or that they were not? Otherwise our policy is not to answer.
– Sklivvz
22 hours ago




This really reads like your personal opinion, but we only allowed referenced answers. Is there an authoritative source confirming they were outraged? Or that they were not? Otherwise our policy is not to answer.
– Sklivvz
22 hours ago




3




3




The New York Times article you claim "just says was posted with the intent to smear" favourably quotes somebody asserting that conservatives want to "set her ablaze" (direct quote) in retaliation for her dance video. It seems to me that you have to use a remarkably narrow definition of "outrage" if being angry enough to set someone on fire doesn't count as being outraged. Yes, that wording was obviously deliberately hyperbolic, but the intended meaning is clear, and it is an assertion that people are outraged.
– Mark Amery
22 hours ago






The New York Times article you claim "just says was posted with the intent to smear" favourably quotes somebody asserting that conservatives want to "set her ablaze" (direct quote) in retaliation for her dance video. It seems to me that you have to use a remarkably narrow definition of "outrage" if being angry enough to set someone on fire doesn't count as being outraged. Yes, that wording was obviously deliberately hyperbolic, but the intended meaning is clear, and it is an assertion that people are outraged.
– Mark Amery
22 hours ago














"Humerus response" -- that's cute!
– Daniel R Hicks
20 hours ago




"Humerus response" -- that's cute!
– Daniel R Hicks
20 hours ago












@MarkAmery You mean the quote the NYT clearly said was from a notable comedian in response to the whole thing? I wouldn't call that a "favourably" quote, it's just something someone notable said so NYT added it to the story.
– CrackpotCrocodile
13 hours ago




@MarkAmery You mean the quote the NYT clearly said was from a notable comedian in response to the whole thing? I wouldn't call that a "favourably" quote, it's just something someone notable said so NYT added it to the story.
– CrackpotCrocodile
13 hours ago












@fredsbend Remember not to abuse your comment privileges by posting pointless "+/-1 for reasons already said" comments.
– CrackpotCrocodile
12 hours ago






@fredsbend Remember not to abuse your comment privileges by posting pointless "+/-1 for reasons already said" comments.
– CrackpotCrocodile
12 hours ago





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