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If I put a permanent magnet under a box and an energized electromagnetic coil under another box could you tell me which box was covering the permanent magnet? If the answer is yes what test would you use?
Note: The coil is receiving a steady dc current.






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If I put a permanent magnet under a box and an energized electromagnetic coil under another box could you tell me which box was covering the permanent magnet? If the answer is yes what test would you use?
Note: The coil is receiving a steady dc current.






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If I put a permanent magnet under a box and an energized electromagnetic coil under another box could you tell me which box was covering the permanent magnet? If the answer is yes what test would you use?
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If I put a permanent magnet under a box and an energized electromagnetic coil under another box could you tell me which box was covering the permanent magnet? If the answer is yes what test would you use?
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  • Is the supply current assumed to be essentially unlimited? Because if not, it will eventually deplete.
    – Alex S
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  • @AlexS Yes, a continuous supply.
    – Lambda
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  • Is the supply current assumed to be essentially unlimited? Because if not, it will eventually deplete.
    – Alex S
    3 hours ago










  • @AlexS Yes, a continuous supply.
    – Lambda
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Is the supply current assumed to be essentially unlimited? Because if not, it will eventually deplete.
– Alex S
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Is the supply current assumed to be essentially unlimited? Because if not, it will eventually deplete.
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@AlexS Yes, a continuous supply.
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@AlexS Yes, a continuous supply.
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The box containing the coil will heat up more and more due to the joule effect. So measuring the temperature you could tell.






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    If this is a normal coil wound with resistance wire, then around the coil with current will be the electric field and magnetic field, and around the permanent magnet only magnetic field. If the boxes do not shield the electric field, it will not be difficult to detect the coil with current by measuring the electric field.






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    • there are "non contact voltage testers" on the market.amazon.com/Voltage-Detector-Non-Contact-Electric-12~220V/dp/… . Here is a report on DC testers e-reports-ext.llnl.gov/pdf/374701.pdf
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    • @annav Thank you, I have it.
      – Alex Trounev
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    • @annav Thanks for posting the links. I am wondering if the probes wouldn’t also measure the magnetic field.
      – Lambda
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    • @Lambda if you look at the designs ,no. they are designed for electrif fields
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    Warm it up near or beyond the Curie temperature, it will make no difference to the coil but the "permanent" becomes "impermanent".






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      If the permanent magnet and the electromagnet are shaped so that the field in the box has precisely the same shape, there is no way to know which box covers which magnet, simply by measuring the field using a tiny probe magnet or tiny probe coil with very small current.



      However, it may be possible to distinguish between the two cases by a more "intrusive" measurement: A metal detector, for example, would very likely respond slightly differently for one than the other. The electromagnet coil would act as a transformer secondary if driven by an electromagnet above the box, and should behave in a slightly different way than the permanent magnet.



      Edited for clarity: "Driven" means, in this context, that the electromagnet above the box is energized by a time-varying current, which will produce a time-varying field, which in turn will "drive" a time-varying additional EMF in the coil below the box.






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      With an x-ray snapshot you should be able to see the difference :). However the magnetic fields can be made to be indistinguishable within certain intensity limits. There is a limit to what a permanent magnet can achieve in a certain volume. An electromagnet can produce a much stronger field.



      See https://hypertextbook.com/facts/2000/AnnaWoo.shtml .






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      • That answer is wrong. Electromagnets can produce a stronger pulsed field, but not a study state field as the windings would burn up fast.
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      • Are you saying that the information in th elink is wrong? It states that the strongest permanent field is 0.1 T, much less that that of a steady state electromagnet. Do you have a reference for your statement?
        – my2cts
        9 hours ago










      • @Sparky256 Btw: some electromagnets can exceed 10T. Obviously continuously, as they are superconducting. Here is a link: home.cern/news/news/engineering/…
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      • @Sparky256 You claim my answer is wrong. Do you have a reference to show for it ?
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      Electromagnets can produce a stronger pulsed field, but not a steady-state field as the windings would burn up fast. Oddly enough the same intense magnetic pulse is used to magnetize neodymium-iron-born (NIB) magnets.



      For a steady-state magnetic field (not superconducting) NIB alloys have the strongest field for now. Some NIB alloys will tolerate intense heat at the cost of total field strength.






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      • This heavily depends on the coil material, and, perchance, the cooling. Superconducting magnets don't have any issue delivering extremely strong magnetic fields continuously, and they obviously classify as electromagnets...
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      • @cmaster. I am aware of superconducting magnets, which can also transfer DC power as a superconducting transformer. Superconducting was not part of the OP's question, so it is not part of any answers. It would have to be posted as a separate question.
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      • The record for the strongest steady state field is 45T ( en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orders_of_magnitude_(magnetic_field) ). I don't believe that permanent magnets reach fields anywhere near this value. Please show me the paper.
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      • @Sparky256 NIB magnets reach about 1T ( en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neodymium_magnet#Magnetic_properties ).
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      The box containing the coil will heat up more and more due to the joule effect. So measuring the temperature you could tell.






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        The box containing the coil will heat up more and more due to the joule effect. So measuring the temperature you could tell.






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          The box containing the coil will heat up more and more due to the joule effect. So measuring the temperature you could tell.






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          The box containing the coil will heat up more and more due to the joule effect. So measuring the temperature you could tell.







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              If this is a normal coil wound with resistance wire, then around the coil with current will be the electric field and magnetic field, and around the permanent magnet only magnetic field. If the boxes do not shield the electric field, it will not be difficult to detect the coil with current by measuring the electric field.






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              • there are "non contact voltage testers" on the market.amazon.com/Voltage-Detector-Non-Contact-Electric-12~220V/dp/… . Here is a report on DC testers e-reports-ext.llnl.gov/pdf/374701.pdf
                – anna v
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              • @annav Thank you, I have it.
                – Alex Trounev
                13 hours ago










              • @annav Thanks for posting the links. I am wondering if the probes wouldn’t also measure the magnetic field.
                – Lambda
                10 hours ago










              • @Lambda if you look at the designs ,no. they are designed for electrif fields
                – anna v
                5 hours ago
















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              If this is a normal coil wound with resistance wire, then around the coil with current will be the electric field and magnetic field, and around the permanent magnet only magnetic field. If the boxes do not shield the electric field, it will not be difficult to detect the coil with current by measuring the electric field.






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              • there are "non contact voltage testers" on the market.amazon.com/Voltage-Detector-Non-Contact-Electric-12~220V/dp/… . Here is a report on DC testers e-reports-ext.llnl.gov/pdf/374701.pdf
                – anna v
                13 hours ago










              • @annav Thank you, I have it.
                – Alex Trounev
                13 hours ago










              • @annav Thanks for posting the links. I am wondering if the probes wouldn’t also measure the magnetic field.
                – Lambda
                10 hours ago










              • @Lambda if you look at the designs ,no. they are designed for electrif fields
                – anna v
                5 hours ago














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              If this is a normal coil wound with resistance wire, then around the coil with current will be the electric field and magnetic field, and around the permanent magnet only magnetic field. If the boxes do not shield the electric field, it will not be difficult to detect the coil with current by measuring the electric field.






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              If this is a normal coil wound with resistance wire, then around the coil with current will be the electric field and magnetic field, and around the permanent magnet only magnetic field. If the boxes do not shield the electric field, it will not be difficult to detect the coil with current by measuring the electric field.







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              • there are "non contact voltage testers" on the market.amazon.com/Voltage-Detector-Non-Contact-Electric-12~220V/dp/… . Here is a report on DC testers e-reports-ext.llnl.gov/pdf/374701.pdf
                – anna v
                13 hours ago










              • @annav Thank you, I have it.
                – Alex Trounev
                13 hours ago










              • @annav Thanks for posting the links. I am wondering if the probes wouldn’t also measure the magnetic field.
                – Lambda
                10 hours ago










              • @Lambda if you look at the designs ,no. they are designed for electrif fields
                – anna v
                5 hours ago


















              • there are "non contact voltage testers" on the market.amazon.com/Voltage-Detector-Non-Contact-Electric-12~220V/dp/… . Here is a report on DC testers e-reports-ext.llnl.gov/pdf/374701.pdf
                – anna v
                13 hours ago










              • @annav Thank you, I have it.
                – Alex Trounev
                13 hours ago










              • @annav Thanks for posting the links. I am wondering if the probes wouldn’t also measure the magnetic field.
                – Lambda
                10 hours ago










              • @Lambda if you look at the designs ,no. they are designed for electrif fields
                – anna v
                5 hours ago
















              there are "non contact voltage testers" on the market.amazon.com/Voltage-Detector-Non-Contact-Electric-12~220V/dp/… . Here is a report on DC testers e-reports-ext.llnl.gov/pdf/374701.pdf
              – anna v
              13 hours ago




              there are "non contact voltage testers" on the market.amazon.com/Voltage-Detector-Non-Contact-Electric-12~220V/dp/… . Here is a report on DC testers e-reports-ext.llnl.gov/pdf/374701.pdf
              – anna v
              13 hours ago












              @annav Thank you, I have it.
              – Alex Trounev
              13 hours ago




              @annav Thank you, I have it.
              – Alex Trounev
              13 hours ago












              @annav Thanks for posting the links. I am wondering if the probes wouldn’t also measure the magnetic field.
              – Lambda
              10 hours ago




              @annav Thanks for posting the links. I am wondering if the probes wouldn’t also measure the magnetic field.
              – Lambda
              10 hours ago












              @Lambda if you look at the designs ,no. they are designed for electrif fields
              – anna v
              5 hours ago




              @Lambda if you look at the designs ,no. they are designed for electrif fields
              – anna v
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              Warm it up near or beyond the Curie temperature, it will make no difference to the coil but the "permanent" becomes "impermanent".






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                Warm it up near or beyond the Curie temperature, it will make no difference to the coil but the "permanent" becomes "impermanent".






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                  Warm it up near or beyond the Curie temperature, it will make no difference to the coil but the "permanent" becomes "impermanent".






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                  Warm it up near or beyond the Curie temperature, it will make no difference to the coil but the "permanent" becomes "impermanent".







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                      If the permanent magnet and the electromagnet are shaped so that the field in the box has precisely the same shape, there is no way to know which box covers which magnet, simply by measuring the field using a tiny probe magnet or tiny probe coil with very small current.



                      However, it may be possible to distinguish between the two cases by a more "intrusive" measurement: A metal detector, for example, would very likely respond slightly differently for one than the other. The electromagnet coil would act as a transformer secondary if driven by an electromagnet above the box, and should behave in a slightly different way than the permanent magnet.



                      Edited for clarity: "Driven" means, in this context, that the electromagnet above the box is energized by a time-varying current, which will produce a time-varying field, which in turn will "drive" a time-varying additional EMF in the coil below the box.






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                      • I guess "driven" needs to be clarified.
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                      If the permanent magnet and the electromagnet are shaped so that the field in the box has precisely the same shape, there is no way to know which box covers which magnet, simply by measuring the field using a tiny probe magnet or tiny probe coil with very small current.



                      However, it may be possible to distinguish between the two cases by a more "intrusive" measurement: A metal detector, for example, would very likely respond slightly differently for one than the other. The electromagnet coil would act as a transformer secondary if driven by an electromagnet above the box, and should behave in a slightly different way than the permanent magnet.



                      Edited for clarity: "Driven" means, in this context, that the electromagnet above the box is energized by a time-varying current, which will produce a time-varying field, which in turn will "drive" a time-varying additional EMF in the coil below the box.






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                      • Transformers do not work for DC.
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                      • I guess "driven" needs to be clarified.
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                      If the permanent magnet and the electromagnet are shaped so that the field in the box has precisely the same shape, there is no way to know which box covers which magnet, simply by measuring the field using a tiny probe magnet or tiny probe coil with very small current.



                      However, it may be possible to distinguish between the two cases by a more "intrusive" measurement: A metal detector, for example, would very likely respond slightly differently for one than the other. The electromagnet coil would act as a transformer secondary if driven by an electromagnet above the box, and should behave in a slightly different way than the permanent magnet.



                      Edited for clarity: "Driven" means, in this context, that the electromagnet above the box is energized by a time-varying current, which will produce a time-varying field, which in turn will "drive" a time-varying additional EMF in the coil below the box.






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                      If the permanent magnet and the electromagnet are shaped so that the field in the box has precisely the same shape, there is no way to know which box covers which magnet, simply by measuring the field using a tiny probe magnet or tiny probe coil with very small current.



                      However, it may be possible to distinguish between the two cases by a more "intrusive" measurement: A metal detector, for example, would very likely respond slightly differently for one than the other. The electromagnet coil would act as a transformer secondary if driven by an electromagnet above the box, and should behave in a slightly different way than the permanent magnet.



                      Edited for clarity: "Driven" means, in this context, that the electromagnet above the box is energized by a time-varying current, which will produce a time-varying field, which in turn will "drive" a time-varying additional EMF in the coil below the box.







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                      • Transformers do not work for DC.
                        – my2cts
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                      • I guess "driven" needs to be clarified.
                        – S. McGrew
                        14 hours ago


















                      • Transformers do not work for DC.
                        – my2cts
                        14 hours ago










                      • I guess "driven" needs to be clarified.
                        – S. McGrew
                        14 hours ago
















                      Transformers do not work for DC.
                      – my2cts
                      14 hours ago




                      Transformers do not work for DC.
                      – my2cts
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                      I guess "driven" needs to be clarified.
                      – S. McGrew
                      14 hours ago




                      I guess "driven" needs to be clarified.
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                      With an x-ray snapshot you should be able to see the difference :). However the magnetic fields can be made to be indistinguishable within certain intensity limits. There is a limit to what a permanent magnet can achieve in a certain volume. An electromagnet can produce a much stronger field.



                      See https://hypertextbook.com/facts/2000/AnnaWoo.shtml .






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                      • That answer is wrong. Electromagnets can produce a stronger pulsed field, but not a study state field as the windings would burn up fast.
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                      • Are you saying that the information in th elink is wrong? It states that the strongest permanent field is 0.1 T, much less that that of a steady state electromagnet. Do you have a reference for your statement?
                        – my2cts
                        9 hours ago










                      • @Sparky256 Btw: some electromagnets can exceed 10T. Obviously continuously, as they are superconducting. Here is a link: home.cern/news/news/engineering/…
                        – cmaster
                        8 hours ago










                      • @Sparky256 You claim my answer is wrong. Do you have a reference to show for it ?
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                      With an x-ray snapshot you should be able to see the difference :). However the magnetic fields can be made to be indistinguishable within certain intensity limits. There is a limit to what a permanent magnet can achieve in a certain volume. An electromagnet can produce a much stronger field.



                      See https://hypertextbook.com/facts/2000/AnnaWoo.shtml .






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                      • That answer is wrong. Electromagnets can produce a stronger pulsed field, but not a study state field as the windings would burn up fast.
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                        10 hours ago












                      • Are you saying that the information in th elink is wrong? It states that the strongest permanent field is 0.1 T, much less that that of a steady state electromagnet. Do you have a reference for your statement?
                        – my2cts
                        9 hours ago










                      • @Sparky256 Btw: some electromagnets can exceed 10T. Obviously continuously, as they are superconducting. Here is a link: home.cern/news/news/engineering/…
                        – cmaster
                        8 hours ago










                      • @Sparky256 You claim my answer is wrong. Do you have a reference to show for it ?
                        – my2cts
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                      With an x-ray snapshot you should be able to see the difference :). However the magnetic fields can be made to be indistinguishable within certain intensity limits. There is a limit to what a permanent magnet can achieve in a certain volume. An electromagnet can produce a much stronger field.



                      See https://hypertextbook.com/facts/2000/AnnaWoo.shtml .






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                      With an x-ray snapshot you should be able to see the difference :). However the magnetic fields can be made to be indistinguishable within certain intensity limits. There is a limit to what a permanent magnet can achieve in a certain volume. An electromagnet can produce a much stronger field.



                      See https://hypertextbook.com/facts/2000/AnnaWoo.shtml .







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                      • That answer is wrong. Electromagnets can produce a stronger pulsed field, but not a study state field as the windings would burn up fast.
                        – Sparky256
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                      • Are you saying that the information in th elink is wrong? It states that the strongest permanent field is 0.1 T, much less that that of a steady state electromagnet. Do you have a reference for your statement?
                        – my2cts
                        9 hours ago










                      • @Sparky256 Btw: some electromagnets can exceed 10T. Obviously continuously, as they are superconducting. Here is a link: home.cern/news/news/engineering/…
                        – cmaster
                        8 hours ago










                      • @Sparky256 You claim my answer is wrong. Do you have a reference to show for it ?
                        – my2cts
                        7 mins ago


















                      • That answer is wrong. Electromagnets can produce a stronger pulsed field, but not a study state field as the windings would burn up fast.
                        – Sparky256
                        10 hours ago












                      • Are you saying that the information in th elink is wrong? It states that the strongest permanent field is 0.1 T, much less that that of a steady state electromagnet. Do you have a reference for your statement?
                        – my2cts
                        9 hours ago










                      • @Sparky256 Btw: some electromagnets can exceed 10T. Obviously continuously, as they are superconducting. Here is a link: home.cern/news/news/engineering/…
                        – cmaster
                        8 hours ago










                      • @Sparky256 You claim my answer is wrong. Do you have a reference to show for it ?
                        – my2cts
                        7 mins ago
















                      That answer is wrong. Electromagnets can produce a stronger pulsed field, but not a study state field as the windings would burn up fast.
                      – Sparky256
                      10 hours ago






                      That answer is wrong. Electromagnets can produce a stronger pulsed field, but not a study state field as the windings would burn up fast.
                      – Sparky256
                      10 hours ago














                      Are you saying that the information in th elink is wrong? It states that the strongest permanent field is 0.1 T, much less that that of a steady state electromagnet. Do you have a reference for your statement?
                      – my2cts
                      9 hours ago




                      Are you saying that the information in th elink is wrong? It states that the strongest permanent field is 0.1 T, much less that that of a steady state electromagnet. Do you have a reference for your statement?
                      – my2cts
                      9 hours ago












                      @Sparky256 Btw: some electromagnets can exceed 10T. Obviously continuously, as they are superconducting. Here is a link: home.cern/news/news/engineering/…
                      – cmaster
                      8 hours ago




                      @Sparky256 Btw: some electromagnets can exceed 10T. Obviously continuously, as they are superconducting. Here is a link: home.cern/news/news/engineering/…
                      – cmaster
                      8 hours ago












                      @Sparky256 You claim my answer is wrong. Do you have a reference to show for it ?
                      – my2cts
                      7 mins ago




                      @Sparky256 You claim my answer is wrong. Do you have a reference to show for it ?
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                      Electromagnets can produce a stronger pulsed field, but not a steady-state field as the windings would burn up fast. Oddly enough the same intense magnetic pulse is used to magnetize neodymium-iron-born (NIB) magnets.



                      For a steady-state magnetic field (not superconducting) NIB alloys have the strongest field for now. Some NIB alloys will tolerate intense heat at the cost of total field strength.






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                      • This heavily depends on the coil material, and, perchance, the cooling. Superconducting magnets don't have any issue delivering extremely strong magnetic fields continuously, and they obviously classify as electromagnets...
                        – cmaster
                        8 hours ago










                      • @cmaster. I am aware of superconducting magnets, which can also transfer DC power as a superconducting transformer. Superconducting was not part of the OP's question, so it is not part of any answers. It would have to be posted as a separate question.
                        – Sparky256
                        8 hours ago










                      • The record for the strongest steady state field is 45T ( en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orders_of_magnitude_(magnetic_field) ). I don't believe that permanent magnets reach fields anywhere near this value. Please show me the paper.
                        – my2cts
                        9 mins ago












                      • @Sparky256 NIB magnets reach about 1T ( en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neodymium_magnet#Magnetic_properties ).
                        – my2cts
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                      Electromagnets can produce a stronger pulsed field, but not a steady-state field as the windings would burn up fast. Oddly enough the same intense magnetic pulse is used to magnetize neodymium-iron-born (NIB) magnets.



                      For a steady-state magnetic field (not superconducting) NIB alloys have the strongest field for now. Some NIB alloys will tolerate intense heat at the cost of total field strength.






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                      • This heavily depends on the coil material, and, perchance, the cooling. Superconducting magnets don't have any issue delivering extremely strong magnetic fields continuously, and they obviously classify as electromagnets...
                        – cmaster
                        8 hours ago










                      • @cmaster. I am aware of superconducting magnets, which can also transfer DC power as a superconducting transformer. Superconducting was not part of the OP's question, so it is not part of any answers. It would have to be posted as a separate question.
                        – Sparky256
                        8 hours ago










                      • The record for the strongest steady state field is 45T ( en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orders_of_magnitude_(magnetic_field) ). I don't believe that permanent magnets reach fields anywhere near this value. Please show me the paper.
                        – my2cts
                        9 mins ago












                      • @Sparky256 NIB magnets reach about 1T ( en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neodymium_magnet#Magnetic_properties ).
                        – my2cts
                        4 mins ago














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                      Electromagnets can produce a stronger pulsed field, but not a steady-state field as the windings would burn up fast. Oddly enough the same intense magnetic pulse is used to magnetize neodymium-iron-born (NIB) magnets.



                      For a steady-state magnetic field (not superconducting) NIB alloys have the strongest field for now. Some NIB alloys will tolerate intense heat at the cost of total field strength.






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                      Electromagnets can produce a stronger pulsed field, but not a steady-state field as the windings would burn up fast. Oddly enough the same intense magnetic pulse is used to magnetize neodymium-iron-born (NIB) magnets.



                      For a steady-state magnetic field (not superconducting) NIB alloys have the strongest field for now. Some NIB alloys will tolerate intense heat at the cost of total field strength.







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                      • This heavily depends on the coil material, and, perchance, the cooling. Superconducting magnets don't have any issue delivering extremely strong magnetic fields continuously, and they obviously classify as electromagnets...
                        – cmaster
                        8 hours ago










                      • @cmaster. I am aware of superconducting magnets, which can also transfer DC power as a superconducting transformer. Superconducting was not part of the OP's question, so it is not part of any answers. It would have to be posted as a separate question.
                        – Sparky256
                        8 hours ago










                      • The record for the strongest steady state field is 45T ( en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orders_of_magnitude_(magnetic_field) ). I don't believe that permanent magnets reach fields anywhere near this value. Please show me the paper.
                        – my2cts
                        9 mins ago












                      • @Sparky256 NIB magnets reach about 1T ( en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neodymium_magnet#Magnetic_properties ).
                        – my2cts
                        4 mins ago


















                      • This heavily depends on the coil material, and, perchance, the cooling. Superconducting magnets don't have any issue delivering extremely strong magnetic fields continuously, and they obviously classify as electromagnets...
                        – cmaster
                        8 hours ago










                      • @cmaster. I am aware of superconducting magnets, which can also transfer DC power as a superconducting transformer. Superconducting was not part of the OP's question, so it is not part of any answers. It would have to be posted as a separate question.
                        – Sparky256
                        8 hours ago










                      • The record for the strongest steady state field is 45T ( en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orders_of_magnitude_(magnetic_field) ). I don't believe that permanent magnets reach fields anywhere near this value. Please show me the paper.
                        – my2cts
                        9 mins ago












                      • @Sparky256 NIB magnets reach about 1T ( en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neodymium_magnet#Magnetic_properties ).
                        – my2cts
                        4 mins ago
















                      This heavily depends on the coil material, and, perchance, the cooling. Superconducting magnets don't have any issue delivering extremely strong magnetic fields continuously, and they obviously classify as electromagnets...
                      – cmaster
                      8 hours ago




                      This heavily depends on the coil material, and, perchance, the cooling. Superconducting magnets don't have any issue delivering extremely strong magnetic fields continuously, and they obviously classify as electromagnets...
                      – cmaster
                      8 hours ago












                      @cmaster. I am aware of superconducting magnets, which can also transfer DC power as a superconducting transformer. Superconducting was not part of the OP's question, so it is not part of any answers. It would have to be posted as a separate question.
                      – Sparky256
                      8 hours ago




                      @cmaster. I am aware of superconducting magnets, which can also transfer DC power as a superconducting transformer. Superconducting was not part of the OP's question, so it is not part of any answers. It would have to be posted as a separate question.
                      – Sparky256
                      8 hours ago












                      The record for the strongest steady state field is 45T ( en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orders_of_magnitude_(magnetic_field) ). I don't believe that permanent magnets reach fields anywhere near this value. Please show me the paper.
                      – my2cts
                      9 mins ago






                      The record for the strongest steady state field is 45T ( en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orders_of_magnitude_(magnetic_field) ). I don't believe that permanent magnets reach fields anywhere near this value. Please show me the paper.
                      – my2cts
                      9 mins ago














                      @Sparky256 NIB magnets reach about 1T ( en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neodymium_magnet#Magnetic_properties ).
                      – my2cts
                      4 mins ago




                      @Sparky256 NIB magnets reach about 1T ( en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neodymium_magnet#Magnetic_properties ).
                      – my2cts
                      4 mins ago


















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