LEFT JOIN performance for WHERE on secondary table

I've been developing for years and through out the carrier I've been using only LEFT JOIN as it provides a more logical sense of mapping my one to many data.

However recently I ran across a performance thought:

Say I have table user with millions of rows and table gender with only 2 rows

user                                gender

=====================               ================

id name      genderId               id gender show

=====================               ================

1  Sam       1                      1  Male   0

2  Samantha  2                      2  Female 1

3  Another millions of records

If I'm doing

select * from user u left join gender g on u.genderId = g.id where g.show = 1;

Does SQL engine joins the whole million user records first, then scan the million rows of records for join projected value?

Or is the engine smart enough to query and join only the rows with correct gender? Or is RIGHT JOIN the correct method to provide best performance?

If the behavior is dependent on engine type, let's talk about MySQL InnoDB.

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Show the EXPLAIN query output. Even if you have a gender.id pinned at 2, genderId in user may not be indexed, and even if it was it would be a large proportion of a secondary index, and you still need to look up name and id, so it might not be used. LEFT vs RIGHT won't matter at all. LEFT JOIN should be used when there isn't always RHS match, rather than just one to many, even a basic INNER JOIN does many to many.

– danblack
Oct 19 '18 at 1:59

Your join is INNER JOIN in practice, because a condition by right table presents in WHERE clause.

– Akina
Oct 19 '18 at 5:27

2

Your where condition on the outer joined table turns the outer join back into an inner join

– a_horse_with_no_name
Oct 19 '18 at 6:40

DBMS engines are not smart enough to fetch only required entries. Bad news is that nobody is smart enough. Mankind is not able to operate sets at all. All we can do is to emulate the sets by lists and perform the search instead of fetch. Therefore the correct question should sound like that: "Why this query over that tables with that indexing and that cardinalities is slow?"

– Kondybas
Oct 19 '18 at 12:01

What do you want to happen when user.gender_id = 3 and there is no corresponding row in the table gender.

– Rick James
Oct 22 '18 at 4:16

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I've been developing for years and through out the carrier I've been using only LEFT JOIN as it provides a more logical sense of mapping my one to many data.

However recently I ran across a performance thought:

Say I have table user with millions of rows and table gender with only 2 rows

user                                gender

=====================               ================

id name      genderId               id gender show

=====================               ================

1  Sam       1                      1  Male   0

2  Samantha  2                      2  Female 1

3  Another millions of records

If I'm doing

select * from user u left join gender g on u.genderId = g.id where g.show = 1;

Does SQL engine joins the whole million user records first, then scan the million rows of records for join projected value?

Or is the engine smart enough to query and join only the rows with correct gender? Or is RIGHT JOIN the correct method to provide best performance?

If the behavior is dependent on engine type, let's talk about MySQL InnoDB.

edited Oct 19 '18 at 6:40

a_horse_with_no_name

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asked Oct 19 '18 at 1:27

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Show the EXPLAIN query output. Even if you have a gender.id pinned at 2, genderId in user may not be indexed, and even if it was it would be a large proportion of a secondary index, and you still need to look up name and id, so it might not be used. LEFT vs RIGHT won't matter at all. LEFT JOIN should be used when there isn't always RHS match, rather than just one to many, even a basic INNER JOIN does many to many.

– danblack
Oct 19 '18 at 1:59

Your join is INNER JOIN in practice, because a condition by right table presents in WHERE clause.

– Akina
Oct 19 '18 at 5:27

2

Your where condition on the outer joined table turns the outer join back into an inner join

– a_horse_with_no_name
Oct 19 '18 at 6:40

DBMS engines are not smart enough to fetch only required entries. Bad news is that nobody is smart enough. Mankind is not able to operate sets at all. All we can do is to emulate the sets by lists and perform the search instead of fetch. Therefore the correct question should sound like that: "Why this query over that tables with that indexing and that cardinalities is slow?"

– Kondybas
Oct 19 '18 at 12:01

What do you want to happen when user.gender_id = 3 and there is no corresponding row in the table gender.

– Rick James
Oct 22 '18 at 4:16

add a comment |

I've been developing for years and through out the carrier I've been using only LEFT JOIN as it provides a more logical sense of mapping my one to many data.

However recently I ran across a performance thought:

Say I have table user with millions of rows and table gender with only 2 rows

user                                gender

=====================               ================

id name      genderId               id gender show

=====================               ================

1  Sam       1                      1  Male   0

2  Samantha  2                      2  Female 1

3  Another millions of records

If I'm doing

select * from user u left join gender g on u.genderId = g.id where g.show = 1;

Does SQL engine joins the whole million user records first, then scan the million rows of records for join projected value?

Or is the engine smart enough to query and join only the rows with correct gender? Or is RIGHT JOIN the correct method to provide best performance?

If the behavior is dependent on engine type, let's talk about MySQL InnoDB.

edited Oct 19 '18 at 6:40

a_horse_with_no_name

40.2k777112

asked Oct 19 '18 at 1:27

Chor Wai Chun

1012

I've been developing for years and through out the carrier I've been using only LEFT JOIN as it provides a more logical sense of mapping my one to many data.

However recently I ran across a performance thought:

Say I have table user with millions of rows and table gender with only 2 rows

user                                gender

=====================               ================

id name      genderId               id gender show

=====================               ================

1  Sam       1                      1  Male   0

2  Samantha  2                      2  Female 1

3  Another millions of records

If I'm doing

select * from user u left join gender g on u.genderId = g.id where g.show = 1;

Does SQL engine joins the whole million user records first, then scan the million rows of records for join projected value?

Or is the engine smart enough to query and join only the rows with correct gender? Or is RIGHT JOIN the correct method to provide best performance?

If the behavior is dependent on engine type, let's talk about MySQL InnoDB.

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edited Oct 19 '18 at 6:40

a_horse_with_no_name

40.2k777112

asked Oct 19 '18 at 1:27

Chor Wai Chun

1012

edited Oct 19 '18 at 6:40

a_horse_with_no_name

40.2k777112

asked Oct 19 '18 at 1:27

Chor Wai Chun

1012

edited Oct 19 '18 at 6:40

a_horse_with_no_name

40.2k777112

edited Oct 19 '18 at 6:40

a_horse_with_no_name

40.2k777112

edited Oct 19 '18 at 6:40

a_horse_with_no_name

40.2k777112

asked Oct 19 '18 at 1:27

Chor Wai Chun

1012

asked Oct 19 '18 at 1:27

Chor Wai Chun

1012

asked Oct 19 '18 at 1:27

Chor Wai Chun

1012

bumped to the homepage by Community♦ 8 mins ago

This question has answers that may be good or bad; the system has marked it active so that they can be reviewed.

bumped to the homepage by Community♦ 8 mins ago

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Show the EXPLAIN query output. Even if you have a gender.id pinned at 2, genderId in user may not be indexed, and even if it was it would be a large proportion of a secondary index, and you still need to look up name and id, so it might not be used. LEFT vs RIGHT won't matter at all. LEFT JOIN should be used when there isn't always RHS match, rather than just one to many, even a basic INNER JOIN does many to many.

– danblack
Oct 19 '18 at 1:59

Your join is INNER JOIN in practice, because a condition by right table presents in WHERE clause.

– Akina
Oct 19 '18 at 5:27

2

Your where condition on the outer joined table turns the outer join back into an inner join

– a_horse_with_no_name
Oct 19 '18 at 6:40

DBMS engines are not smart enough to fetch only required entries. Bad news is that nobody is smart enough. Mankind is not able to operate sets at all. All we can do is to emulate the sets by lists and perform the search instead of fetch. Therefore the correct question should sound like that: "Why this query over that tables with that indexing and that cardinalities is slow?"

– Kondybas
Oct 19 '18 at 12:01

What do you want to happen when user.gender_id = 3 and there is no corresponding row in the table gender.

– Rick James
Oct 22 '18 at 4:16

add a comment |

2

Show the EXPLAIN query output. Even if you have a gender.id pinned at 2, genderId in user may not be indexed, and even if it was it would be a large proportion of a secondary index, and you still need to look up name and id, so it might not be used. LEFT vs RIGHT won't matter at all. LEFT JOIN should be used when there isn't always RHS match, rather than just one to many, even a basic INNER JOIN does many to many.

– danblack
Oct 19 '18 at 1:59

Your join is INNER JOIN in practice, because a condition by right table presents in WHERE clause.

– Akina
Oct 19 '18 at 5:27

2

Your where condition on the outer joined table turns the outer join back into an inner join

– a_horse_with_no_name
Oct 19 '18 at 6:40

DBMS engines are not smart enough to fetch only required entries. Bad news is that nobody is smart enough. Mankind is not able to operate sets at all. All we can do is to emulate the sets by lists and perform the search instead of fetch. Therefore the correct question should sound like that: "Why this query over that tables with that indexing and that cardinalities is slow?"

– Kondybas
Oct 19 '18 at 12:01

What do you want to happen when user.gender_id = 3 and there is no corresponding row in the table gender.

– Rick James
Oct 22 '18 at 4:16

Show the EXPLAIN query output. Even if you have a gender.id pinned at 2, genderId in user may not be indexed, and even if it was it would be a large proportion of a secondary index, and you still need to look up name and id, so it might not be used. LEFT vs RIGHT won't matter at all. LEFT JOIN should be used when there isn't always RHS match, rather than just one to many, even a basic INNER JOIN does many to many.

– danblack
Oct 19 '18 at 1:59

Your join is INNER JOIN in practice, because a condition by right table presents in WHERE clause.

– Akina
Oct 19 '18 at 5:27

Your where condition on the outer joined table turns the outer join back into an inner join

– a_horse_with_no_name
Oct 19 '18 at 6:40

DBMS engines are not smart enough to fetch only required entries. Bad news is that nobody is smart enough. Mankind is not able to operate sets at all. All we can do is to emulate the sets by lists and perform the search instead of fetch. Therefore the correct question should sound like that: "Why this query over that tables with that indexing and that cardinalities is slow?"

– Kondybas
Oct 19 '18 at 12:01

What do you want to happen when user.gender_id = 3 and there is no corresponding row in the table gender.

– Rick James
Oct 22 '18 at 4:16

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Remember how SQL works: construct a set of tuples (rows) based on the given tables and joins, then filter those based on any where clause.

Because you have a where condition on the "right" table, your outer join is effectively converted into an inner join.

To retain the "outer-ness" of the join, put the filter condition into the join construct, rather than in the where clause:

select * 

from      user u 

left join gender g 

     on  u.genderId = g.id 

     and g.show = 1 

[where ...]

answered Oct 19 '18 at 11:18

Phill W.

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that;s no a requirement of how it works, the planner is free to reorganise the query so long as the same set of results come out (modulo extensions like incomplete group bys)

– Jasen
Oct 19 '18 at 11:26

@Jasen By index hints we can force the planner to do exactly we want.

– Kondybas
Oct 19 '18 at 11:53

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To retain the "outer-ness" of the join, put the filter condition into the join construct, rather than in the where clause:

select * 

from      user u 

left join gender g 

     on  u.genderId = g.id 

     and g.show = 1 

[where ...]

answered Oct 19 '18 at 11:18

Phill W.

80633

that;s no a requirement of how it works, the planner is free to reorganise the query so long as the same set of results come out (modulo extensions like incomplete group bys)

– Jasen
Oct 19 '18 at 11:26

@Jasen By index hints we can force the planner to do exactly we want.

– Kondybas
Oct 19 '18 at 11:53

add a comment |

To retain the "outer-ness" of the join, put the filter condition into the join construct, rather than in the where clause:

select * 

from      user u 

left join gender g 

     on  u.genderId = g.id 

     and g.show = 1 

[where ...]

answered Oct 19 '18 at 11:18

Phill W.

80633

that;s no a requirement of how it works, the planner is free to reorganise the query so long as the same set of results come out (modulo extensions like incomplete group bys)

– Jasen
Oct 19 '18 at 11:26

@Jasen By index hints we can force the planner to do exactly we want.

– Kondybas
Oct 19 '18 at 11:53

add a comment |

To retain the "outer-ness" of the join, put the filter condition into the join construct, rather than in the where clause:

select * 

from      user u 

left join gender g 

     on  u.genderId = g.id 

     and g.show = 1 

[where ...]

answered Oct 19 '18 at 11:18

Phill W.

80633

To retain the "outer-ness" of the join, put the filter condition into the join construct, rather than in the where clause:

select * 

from      user u 

left join gender g 

     on  u.genderId = g.id 

     and g.show = 1 

[where ...]

answered Oct 19 '18 at 11:18

Phill W.

80633

answered Oct 19 '18 at 11:18

Phill W.

80633

answered Oct 19 '18 at 11:18

Phill W.

80633

answered Oct 19 '18 at 11:18

Phill W.

80633

that;s no a requirement of how it works, the planner is free to reorganise the query so long as the same set of results come out (modulo extensions like incomplete group bys)

– Jasen
Oct 19 '18 at 11:26

@Jasen By index hints we can force the planner to do exactly we want.

– Kondybas
Oct 19 '18 at 11:53

add a comment |

that;s no a requirement of how it works, the planner is free to reorganise the query so long as the same set of results come out (modulo extensions like incomplete group bys)

– Jasen
Oct 19 '18 at 11:26

@Jasen By index hints we can force the planner to do exactly we want.

– Kondybas
Oct 19 '18 at 11:53

that;s no a requirement of how it works, the planner is free to reorganise the query so long as the same set of results come out (modulo extensions like incomplete group bys)

– Jasen
Oct 19 '18 at 11:26

@Jasen By index hints we can force the planner to do exactly we want.

– Kondybas
Oct 19 '18 at 11:53

add a comment |

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