Why is minimum wage not tied to the cost of living?
I often heard minimum wage discussions and typically a single figure is presented (where I live it is the gross monthly value, elsewhere I hear about the gross hourly rate).
However, there are great difference in regard to cost of living within a single country (or even region), so having a single value seems like a "one size fits all" solution.
This Pew Research Center article deals with a specific case from US and I will narrow my question to US to make it more answerable:
One factor complicating the minimum-wage discussion is that the cost
of living varies widely – not just from state to state but within
individual states, something that’s especially true in large, diverse
states such as California and New York.
The article dives into some financial figures but the bottom line is: while the cost of living can be quite different, there is a single value for the minimum wage.
Theoretically, the minimum wage could be somehow tied to the cost of living. I think it could work similarly to different property taxes based on where you live.
Why is minimum wage not tied to the cost of living or a similar factor?
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I often heard minimum wage discussions and typically a single figure is presented (where I live it is the gross monthly value, elsewhere I hear about the gross hourly rate).
However, there are great difference in regard to cost of living within a single country (or even region), so having a single value seems like a "one size fits all" solution.
This Pew Research Center article deals with a specific case from US and I will narrow my question to US to make it more answerable:
One factor complicating the minimum-wage discussion is that the cost
of living varies widely – not just from state to state but within
individual states, something that’s especially true in large, diverse
states such as California and New York.
The article dives into some financial figures but the bottom line is: while the cost of living can be quite different, there is a single value for the minimum wage.
Theoretically, the minimum wage could be somehow tied to the cost of living. I think it could work similarly to different property taxes based on where you live.
Why is minimum wage not tied to the cost of living or a similar factor?
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Try to avoid "why not" questions. "Why not?" questions presuppose that the world ought to be contrary to how it is, and that we need to supply a reason for why it is not that way. But that's not how it works. "Why not" questions are hard to answer. Do you speak French? Why not? Did you have porridge for breakfast this morning? Why not? Do you live on the east side of New York City? Why not? How would you even begin to answer that sort of question?
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– Philipp♦
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"Correlated" might be the wrong word to use here, because it implies that you are asking about why there is no statistical correlation between these two things, whereas the body of your question suggests that you are instead asking about why a policy hasn't been implemented to try to fix the minimum wage to follow the cost of living. I would use a more appropriate word, like "fixed," "tied," or "pinned."
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I often heard minimum wage discussions and typically a single figure is presented (where I live it is the gross monthly value, elsewhere I hear about the gross hourly rate).
However, there are great difference in regard to cost of living within a single country (or even region), so having a single value seems like a "one size fits all" solution.
This Pew Research Center article deals with a specific case from US and I will narrow my question to US to make it more answerable:
One factor complicating the minimum-wage discussion is that the cost
of living varies widely – not just from state to state but within
individual states, something that’s especially true in large, diverse
states such as California and New York.
The article dives into some financial figures but the bottom line is: while the cost of living can be quite different, there is a single value for the minimum wage.
Theoretically, the minimum wage could be somehow tied to the cost of living. I think it could work similarly to different property taxes based on where you live.
Why is minimum wage not tied to the cost of living or a similar factor?
united-states minimum-wage
I often heard minimum wage discussions and typically a single figure is presented (where I live it is the gross monthly value, elsewhere I hear about the gross hourly rate).
However, there are great difference in regard to cost of living within a single country (or even region), so having a single value seems like a "one size fits all" solution.
This Pew Research Center article deals with a specific case from US and I will narrow my question to US to make it more answerable:
One factor complicating the minimum-wage discussion is that the cost
of living varies widely – not just from state to state but within
individual states, something that’s especially true in large, diverse
states such as California and New York.
The article dives into some financial figures but the bottom line is: while the cost of living can be quite different, there is a single value for the minimum wage.
Theoretically, the minimum wage could be somehow tied to the cost of living. I think it could work similarly to different property taxes based on where you live.
Why is minimum wage not tied to the cost of living or a similar factor?
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Try to avoid "why not" questions. "Why not?" questions presuppose that the world ought to be contrary to how it is, and that we need to supply a reason for why it is not that way. But that's not how it works. "Why not" questions are hard to answer. Do you speak French? Why not? Did you have porridge for breakfast this morning? Why not? Do you live on the east side of New York City? Why not? How would you even begin to answer that sort of question?
– Eric Lippert
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– Philipp♦
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"Correlated" might be the wrong word to use here, because it implies that you are asking about why there is no statistical correlation between these two things, whereas the body of your question suggests that you are instead asking about why a policy hasn't been implemented to try to fix the minimum wage to follow the cost of living. I would use a more appropriate word, like "fixed," "tied," or "pinned."
– kloddant
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Try to avoid "why not" questions. "Why not?" questions presuppose that the world ought to be contrary to how it is, and that we need to supply a reason for why it is not that way. But that's not how it works. "Why not" questions are hard to answer. Do you speak French? Why not? Did you have porridge for breakfast this morning? Why not? Do you live on the east side of New York City? Why not? How would you even begin to answer that sort of question?
– Eric Lippert
13 hours ago
Comments deleted. Comments should be used to provide constructive criticism to the phrasing of the question. Please don't use comments to answer the question or discuss its subject matter.
– Philipp♦
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"Correlated" might be the wrong word to use here, because it implies that you are asking about why there is no statistical correlation between these two things, whereas the body of your question suggests that you are instead asking about why a policy hasn't been implemented to try to fix the minimum wage to follow the cost of living. I would use a more appropriate word, like "fixed," "tied," or "pinned."
– kloddant
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Try to avoid "why not" questions. "Why not?" questions presuppose that the world ought to be contrary to how it is, and that we need to supply a reason for why it is not that way. But that's not how it works. "Why not" questions are hard to answer. Do you speak French? Why not? Did you have porridge for breakfast this morning? Why not? Do you live on the east side of New York City? Why not? How would you even begin to answer that sort of question?
– Eric Lippert
13 hours ago
Try to avoid "why not" questions. "Why not?" questions presuppose that the world ought to be contrary to how it is, and that we need to supply a reason for why it is not that way. But that's not how it works. "Why not" questions are hard to answer. Do you speak French? Why not? Did you have porridge for breakfast this morning? Why not? Do you live on the east side of New York City? Why not? How would you even begin to answer that sort of question?
– Eric Lippert
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– Philipp♦
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"Correlated" might be the wrong word to use here, because it implies that you are asking about why there is no statistical correlation between these two things, whereas the body of your question suggests that you are instead asking about why a policy hasn't been implemented to try to fix the minimum wage to follow the cost of living. I would use a more appropriate word, like "fixed," "tied," or "pinned."
– kloddant
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"Correlated" might be the wrong word to use here, because it implies that you are asking about why there is no statistical correlation between these two things, whereas the body of your question suggests that you are instead asking about why a policy hasn't been implemented to try to fix the minimum wage to follow the cost of living. I would use a more appropriate word, like "fixed," "tied," or "pinned."
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Short answer - because that's what the proposers of the minimum wage legislation managed to push through.
The USA had a long, long history of unsuccessful attempts to enforce a minimum wage limit, amongst other economic regulations, but the Supreme Court (for a time) in defence of businesses and the free market ruled all those regulations unconstitutional (the so-called Lochner era). Of particular relevance to your question are two of them:
The first was in 1933. The Roosevelt administration attempted to include minimum wages in the National Industrial Recovery Act. This case did differentiate not only by region, but also by branch of industry (i.e., for example, the agriculture and textile industries would have different minimum wages). This was ruled unconstitutional in A.L.A. Schechter Poultry Corp. v. United States, on the grounds that the federal government had no power to regulate intra-state matters (which, apparently, worker wages are).
The second was in 1938, in the Fair Labor Standards Act - this time, at a fixed rate. This one was upheld by the Supreme Court in 1941 in United States v. Darby Lumber Co., where it was ruled that Congress had the power under the Commerce Clause to regulate employment conditions.
I don't have enough knowledge on the nuances of U.S. internal political games at the time, so I can't say what happened to cause one variant of the act to be declined, while another was upheld, but the end result was that fixed-rate minimum wages became a part of U.S. federal laws. Note that states still could have their own local laws regarding wages - for example, the state of Washington had minimum wage legislation that was held legal in 1937 in West Coast Hotel Co. v. Parrish, a year before the Fair Labor Standards Act was passed. By the way, as it is stated in the article you linked, the situation is changing - some states are passing laws to adjust minimum wages according to the cost of living.
To sum up - the minimum wage being constant and not linked to cost of living in the U.S. isn't an economically-based fact, it's just the historically established legal situation.
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US v Darby Lumber CO. came during the new Deal era, during which many populist measures arise and were giving Constitutional clearance by SCOTUS in an effort to assuage FDR, so that he wouldn't pack the court. This era saw an expansion in the powers allowed under the Commerce Clause, Tax Clause, Taking Clause, and more.
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That's a good US-centric answer. But minimum wage is a fixed sum in Europe as well, across countries with different laws and constitutional courts. So it's a general scheme, not one that accidentally came about as a result of specific political situations.
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Danila Smirnov response covers the issue from a US point of view. Worldwide the answer is not different, though. The minimum wage is not tied to the cost of living because the laws which enacted it didn't tie the minimum wage to the cost of living, which is sort of a tautology.
There are, however reasons to not do it that way. First it's the cost of updating it. Employers need to know how much they are going to spend in wages with a certain margin of time - typically, at least a year. However, cost of living can go up quickly in cases of (hyper)inflation, housing bubbles, oil crisis, etc... If you tie the minimum wage to the cost of living you're forcing every employer in the country to update its financial state every time the cost of living is updated. If you update this value very frequently, it is quite a nightmare for everyone and a source of economical unstability, and it will surely scare away foreign (and probably local) investors. If you update it very sparingly, say, once per decade, then it's very loosely tied to cost of living, which will probably have diverged away.
The other problem is that cost of living varies greatly not just at the country level, but even at city level. Here in Spain cost of living of Madrid or Barcelona is twice the cost of living in nearby towns in the same province. If minimum wage is tied to actual cost of living then calculating and managing minimum wages at city level (or even neighborhood level) is perceived (for both governments and employers) as too complicated to handle, and in any case it could make companies to flee the most expensive places to live or distort the urban planning in several other ways. For example, retail workers in Poshtown are forced to live in the edge of Slumvillage so their employers can keep their salaries low. That wouldn't affect much qualified workers, who are paid much more than minimum wage, but it could render cities severely underserviced if menial workers weren't employed there - though, we have very much the opposite problem now where people paid minimum wages can't afford to live where they work due to cost of living being too high.
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"If minimum wage is tied to actual cost of living then calculating it at city level ... is too complicated" eh, what? The US government already calculates per diem expense rates for the largest cities across the United States, including territories. See gsa.gov/travel/plan-book/per-diem-rates
– BurnsBA
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"in any case it could make companies to flee the most expensive places to live" This isn't really true (see: London, San Francisco, New York). If perhaps you mean this will hurt minimum wage jobs, there are tradeoffs, but it isn't all dire. See for instance a recent discussion of Seattle's increase: nytimes.com/2018/10/22/business/economy/…
– BurnsBA
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I've added some text to address both spot-on comments. ;)
– Rekesoft
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If companies flee the most expensive places to live that would decrease the price to live in those areas and increase it elsewhere - I'd say that is a win...
– immibis
21 hours ago
I think your last paragraph is too shortsighted. If companies moved to low cost-of-living places, the increase in jobs would cause an increase in population density and income, which would then increase cost-of-living. Similarly, the cost-of-living being more than minimum wage also isn't technically a problem on its own; people are willing to live in poverty and debt rather than move to a more rural area. If people weren't willing to do that, then companies would be economically forced to raise their wages.
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Well, in some ways, it is.
At least in my state, municipalities can set their own minimum wage on top of the state minimum wage, and that on top of federal, allowing them to adjust maybe a bit more finely than a federal system. For example, Seattle's minimum wage for large employers is $16.00, while Washington state's is only $12.00. Seattle's minimum wage is now also pegged to inflation.
This allows areas with higher costs of living to set higher minimum wages to compensate.
Unfortunately, many states have banned municipalities from increasing their own minimum wage.
This also hews more closely to the idea of federalism, where many would argue that the massive disparity in cost of living is exactly why the federal government shouldn't be setting wages.
Just because a state or municipality is setting a minimum wage doesn't mean it is linked to cost of living.
– DJClayworth
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@DJClayworth Well, no, not per se. But it means that areas with higher costs of living can and do often set higher minimum wages to compensate.
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As other answers have said, this is about what the legislators have been able to pass. Some people are opposed to minimum wage laws and some are on the fence. Making them 'index linked' (i.e. tied to cost of living) would cause more people to oppose them.
Even proponents of minimum wage laws mostly admit that there would be economic conditions under which raising minimum wages in line with inflation would be a severe problem. In times of economic recession, when wages generally are not rising, it makes little sense to raise minimum wages; similarly in times of high inflation, when price rises are outstripping wage rises, or worse still when both are occurring together - the dreaded 'stagflation'.
Rather than have to pass legislation to specifically undo the index linking under these conditions, proponents consider it better to legislate each individual increase.
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The cost of living is usually correlated with improved living conditions (otherwise, why pay more to live there?). So if you tie the minimum wage to the cost of living, you're basically rewarding low-income people for living in a good neighbourhood. It's unclear if that's the original intention.
It would be unclear at what organizational level one would calculate the cost of living: State, city, district, house? The more detailed you go, the more effort you have to put in.
People in low-income entities might very well object to a minimum wage from which they barely profit. This would risk the idea as a whole.
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The cost of living is usually correlated with improved living conditions, citation needed, and I beg to differ. London has the highest cost of living in the UK, but people in Yorkshire or Inverness are a lot happier. The air in London is very polluted. The reason London has a high cost of living is not because of better living conditions (which is subjective), but because there are many (well paid) jobs in London, unlike Yorkshire or Inverness.
– gerrit
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Even more to the above, cost of living does not correlate with improved living conditions in times of high inflation.
– DJClayworth
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These sound like reasonable ideas, but do you have any evidence that these are the reasons used by policy makers in their decision making?
– indigochild
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In Australia there is an independent organisation under the Federal government who is responsible for setting Minimum wage every year.
They accept submissions from interested parties such as unions, industry, etc and set an increase to the minimum wage.
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I think this question asks primarily about the situation in the U.S.
– JJJ
16 hours ago
That doesn't answer the question "why do they set the same minimum wage across the whole of Australia, rather than higher rates in more expensive places and lower rates in cheaper ones?" (which is the question the OP asked).
– Martin Bonner
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They are correlated, if minimum wage goes up, the cost of living will go up, but that doesnt happen the other way around. So if you increase the minimum wage depending on how much the cost of living increased, you would have an inflation spiral (increase the minimum wage -> the cost of living goes up -> increase the minium wage -> the cost of living goes up, and so on).
That's why in most places around the world the minimum wage is NOT adjusted automatically (let's say attached to inflation index or something like that) and instead is debated.
Sorry for my english.
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Short answer - because that's what the proposers of the minimum wage legislation managed to push through.
The USA had a long, long history of unsuccessful attempts to enforce a minimum wage limit, amongst other economic regulations, but the Supreme Court (for a time) in defence of businesses and the free market ruled all those regulations unconstitutional (the so-called Lochner era). Of particular relevance to your question are two of them:
The first was in 1933. The Roosevelt administration attempted to include minimum wages in the National Industrial Recovery Act. This case did differentiate not only by region, but also by branch of industry (i.e., for example, the agriculture and textile industries would have different minimum wages). This was ruled unconstitutional in A.L.A. Schechter Poultry Corp. v. United States, on the grounds that the federal government had no power to regulate intra-state matters (which, apparently, worker wages are).
The second was in 1938, in the Fair Labor Standards Act - this time, at a fixed rate. This one was upheld by the Supreme Court in 1941 in United States v. Darby Lumber Co., where it was ruled that Congress had the power under the Commerce Clause to regulate employment conditions.
I don't have enough knowledge on the nuances of U.S. internal political games at the time, so I can't say what happened to cause one variant of the act to be declined, while another was upheld, but the end result was that fixed-rate minimum wages became a part of U.S. federal laws. Note that states still could have their own local laws regarding wages - for example, the state of Washington had minimum wage legislation that was held legal in 1937 in West Coast Hotel Co. v. Parrish, a year before the Fair Labor Standards Act was passed. By the way, as it is stated in the article you linked, the situation is changing - some states are passing laws to adjust minimum wages according to the cost of living.
To sum up - the minimum wage being constant and not linked to cost of living in the U.S. isn't an economically-based fact, it's just the historically established legal situation.
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US v Darby Lumber CO. came during the new Deal era, during which many populist measures arise and were giving Constitutional clearance by SCOTUS in an effort to assuage FDR, so that he wouldn't pack the court. This era saw an expansion in the powers allowed under the Commerce Clause, Tax Clause, Taking Clause, and more.
– Drunk Cynic
yesterday
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That's a good US-centric answer. But minimum wage is a fixed sum in Europe as well, across countries with different laws and constitutional courts. So it's a general scheme, not one that accidentally came about as a result of specific political situations.
– Tom
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Short answer - because that's what the proposers of the minimum wage legislation managed to push through.
The USA had a long, long history of unsuccessful attempts to enforce a minimum wage limit, amongst other economic regulations, but the Supreme Court (for a time) in defence of businesses and the free market ruled all those regulations unconstitutional (the so-called Lochner era). Of particular relevance to your question are two of them:
The first was in 1933. The Roosevelt administration attempted to include minimum wages in the National Industrial Recovery Act. This case did differentiate not only by region, but also by branch of industry (i.e., for example, the agriculture and textile industries would have different minimum wages). This was ruled unconstitutional in A.L.A. Schechter Poultry Corp. v. United States, on the grounds that the federal government had no power to regulate intra-state matters (which, apparently, worker wages are).
The second was in 1938, in the Fair Labor Standards Act - this time, at a fixed rate. This one was upheld by the Supreme Court in 1941 in United States v. Darby Lumber Co., where it was ruled that Congress had the power under the Commerce Clause to regulate employment conditions.
I don't have enough knowledge on the nuances of U.S. internal political games at the time, so I can't say what happened to cause one variant of the act to be declined, while another was upheld, but the end result was that fixed-rate minimum wages became a part of U.S. federal laws. Note that states still could have their own local laws regarding wages - for example, the state of Washington had minimum wage legislation that was held legal in 1937 in West Coast Hotel Co. v. Parrish, a year before the Fair Labor Standards Act was passed. By the way, as it is stated in the article you linked, the situation is changing - some states are passing laws to adjust minimum wages according to the cost of living.
To sum up - the minimum wage being constant and not linked to cost of living in the U.S. isn't an economically-based fact, it's just the historically established legal situation.
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US v Darby Lumber CO. came during the new Deal era, during which many populist measures arise and were giving Constitutional clearance by SCOTUS in an effort to assuage FDR, so that he wouldn't pack the court. This era saw an expansion in the powers allowed under the Commerce Clause, Tax Clause, Taking Clause, and more.
– Drunk Cynic
yesterday
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That's a good US-centric answer. But minimum wage is a fixed sum in Europe as well, across countries with different laws and constitutional courts. So it's a general scheme, not one that accidentally came about as a result of specific political situations.
– Tom
5 hours ago
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Short answer - because that's what the proposers of the minimum wage legislation managed to push through.
The USA had a long, long history of unsuccessful attempts to enforce a minimum wage limit, amongst other economic regulations, but the Supreme Court (for a time) in defence of businesses and the free market ruled all those regulations unconstitutional (the so-called Lochner era). Of particular relevance to your question are two of them:
The first was in 1933. The Roosevelt administration attempted to include minimum wages in the National Industrial Recovery Act. This case did differentiate not only by region, but also by branch of industry (i.e., for example, the agriculture and textile industries would have different minimum wages). This was ruled unconstitutional in A.L.A. Schechter Poultry Corp. v. United States, on the grounds that the federal government had no power to regulate intra-state matters (which, apparently, worker wages are).
The second was in 1938, in the Fair Labor Standards Act - this time, at a fixed rate. This one was upheld by the Supreme Court in 1941 in United States v. Darby Lumber Co., where it was ruled that Congress had the power under the Commerce Clause to regulate employment conditions.
I don't have enough knowledge on the nuances of U.S. internal political games at the time, so I can't say what happened to cause one variant of the act to be declined, while another was upheld, but the end result was that fixed-rate minimum wages became a part of U.S. federal laws. Note that states still could have their own local laws regarding wages - for example, the state of Washington had minimum wage legislation that was held legal in 1937 in West Coast Hotel Co. v. Parrish, a year before the Fair Labor Standards Act was passed. By the way, as it is stated in the article you linked, the situation is changing - some states are passing laws to adjust minimum wages according to the cost of living.
To sum up - the minimum wage being constant and not linked to cost of living in the U.S. isn't an economically-based fact, it's just the historically established legal situation.
Short answer - because that's what the proposers of the minimum wage legislation managed to push through.
The USA had a long, long history of unsuccessful attempts to enforce a minimum wage limit, amongst other economic regulations, but the Supreme Court (for a time) in defence of businesses and the free market ruled all those regulations unconstitutional (the so-called Lochner era). Of particular relevance to your question are two of them:
The first was in 1933. The Roosevelt administration attempted to include minimum wages in the National Industrial Recovery Act. This case did differentiate not only by region, but also by branch of industry (i.e., for example, the agriculture and textile industries would have different minimum wages). This was ruled unconstitutional in A.L.A. Schechter Poultry Corp. v. United States, on the grounds that the federal government had no power to regulate intra-state matters (which, apparently, worker wages are).
The second was in 1938, in the Fair Labor Standards Act - this time, at a fixed rate. This one was upheld by the Supreme Court in 1941 in United States v. Darby Lumber Co., where it was ruled that Congress had the power under the Commerce Clause to regulate employment conditions.
I don't have enough knowledge on the nuances of U.S. internal political games at the time, so I can't say what happened to cause one variant of the act to be declined, while another was upheld, but the end result was that fixed-rate minimum wages became a part of U.S. federal laws. Note that states still could have their own local laws regarding wages - for example, the state of Washington had minimum wage legislation that was held legal in 1937 in West Coast Hotel Co. v. Parrish, a year before the Fair Labor Standards Act was passed. By the way, as it is stated in the article you linked, the situation is changing - some states are passing laws to adjust minimum wages according to the cost of living.
To sum up - the minimum wage being constant and not linked to cost of living in the U.S. isn't an economically-based fact, it's just the historically established legal situation.
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US v Darby Lumber CO. came during the new Deal era, during which many populist measures arise and were giving Constitutional clearance by SCOTUS in an effort to assuage FDR, so that he wouldn't pack the court. This era saw an expansion in the powers allowed under the Commerce Clause, Tax Clause, Taking Clause, and more.
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That's a good US-centric answer. But minimum wage is a fixed sum in Europe as well, across countries with different laws and constitutional courts. So it's a general scheme, not one that accidentally came about as a result of specific political situations.
– Tom
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US v Darby Lumber CO. came during the new Deal era, during which many populist measures arise and were giving Constitutional clearance by SCOTUS in an effort to assuage FDR, so that he wouldn't pack the court. This era saw an expansion in the powers allowed under the Commerce Clause, Tax Clause, Taking Clause, and more.
– Drunk Cynic
yesterday
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That's a good US-centric answer. But minimum wage is a fixed sum in Europe as well, across countries with different laws and constitutional courts. So it's a general scheme, not one that accidentally came about as a result of specific political situations.
– Tom
5 hours ago
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US v Darby Lumber CO. came during the new Deal era, during which many populist measures arise and were giving Constitutional clearance by SCOTUS in an effort to assuage FDR, so that he wouldn't pack the court. This era saw an expansion in the powers allowed under the Commerce Clause, Tax Clause, Taking Clause, and more.
– Drunk Cynic
yesterday
US v Darby Lumber CO. came during the new Deal era, during which many populist measures arise and were giving Constitutional clearance by SCOTUS in an effort to assuage FDR, so that he wouldn't pack the court. This era saw an expansion in the powers allowed under the Commerce Clause, Tax Clause, Taking Clause, and more.
– Drunk Cynic
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That's a good US-centric answer. But minimum wage is a fixed sum in Europe as well, across countries with different laws and constitutional courts. So it's a general scheme, not one that accidentally came about as a result of specific political situations.
– Tom
5 hours ago
That's a good US-centric answer. But minimum wage is a fixed sum in Europe as well, across countries with different laws and constitutional courts. So it's a general scheme, not one that accidentally came about as a result of specific political situations.
– Tom
5 hours ago
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Danila Smirnov response covers the issue from a US point of view. Worldwide the answer is not different, though. The minimum wage is not tied to the cost of living because the laws which enacted it didn't tie the minimum wage to the cost of living, which is sort of a tautology.
There are, however reasons to not do it that way. First it's the cost of updating it. Employers need to know how much they are going to spend in wages with a certain margin of time - typically, at least a year. However, cost of living can go up quickly in cases of (hyper)inflation, housing bubbles, oil crisis, etc... If you tie the minimum wage to the cost of living you're forcing every employer in the country to update its financial state every time the cost of living is updated. If you update this value very frequently, it is quite a nightmare for everyone and a source of economical unstability, and it will surely scare away foreign (and probably local) investors. If you update it very sparingly, say, once per decade, then it's very loosely tied to cost of living, which will probably have diverged away.
The other problem is that cost of living varies greatly not just at the country level, but even at city level. Here in Spain cost of living of Madrid or Barcelona is twice the cost of living in nearby towns in the same province. If minimum wage is tied to actual cost of living then calculating and managing minimum wages at city level (or even neighborhood level) is perceived (for both governments and employers) as too complicated to handle, and in any case it could make companies to flee the most expensive places to live or distort the urban planning in several other ways. For example, retail workers in Poshtown are forced to live in the edge of Slumvillage so their employers can keep their salaries low. That wouldn't affect much qualified workers, who are paid much more than minimum wage, but it could render cities severely underserviced if menial workers weren't employed there - though, we have very much the opposite problem now where people paid minimum wages can't afford to live where they work due to cost of living being too high.
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"If minimum wage is tied to actual cost of living then calculating it at city level ... is too complicated" eh, what? The US government already calculates per diem expense rates for the largest cities across the United States, including territories. See gsa.gov/travel/plan-book/per-diem-rates
– BurnsBA
yesterday
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"in any case it could make companies to flee the most expensive places to live" This isn't really true (see: London, San Francisco, New York). If perhaps you mean this will hurt minimum wage jobs, there are tradeoffs, but it isn't all dire. See for instance a recent discussion of Seattle's increase: nytimes.com/2018/10/22/business/economy/…
– BurnsBA
yesterday
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I've added some text to address both spot-on comments. ;)
– Rekesoft
yesterday
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If companies flee the most expensive places to live that would decrease the price to live in those areas and increase it elsewhere - I'd say that is a win...
– immibis
21 hours ago
I think your last paragraph is too shortsighted. If companies moved to low cost-of-living places, the increase in jobs would cause an increase in population density and income, which would then increase cost-of-living. Similarly, the cost-of-living being more than minimum wage also isn't technically a problem on its own; people are willing to live in poverty and debt rather than move to a more rural area. If people weren't willing to do that, then companies would be economically forced to raise their wages.
– Clay07g
21 hours ago
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Danila Smirnov response covers the issue from a US point of view. Worldwide the answer is not different, though. The minimum wage is not tied to the cost of living because the laws which enacted it didn't tie the minimum wage to the cost of living, which is sort of a tautology.
There are, however reasons to not do it that way. First it's the cost of updating it. Employers need to know how much they are going to spend in wages with a certain margin of time - typically, at least a year. However, cost of living can go up quickly in cases of (hyper)inflation, housing bubbles, oil crisis, etc... If you tie the minimum wage to the cost of living you're forcing every employer in the country to update its financial state every time the cost of living is updated. If you update this value very frequently, it is quite a nightmare for everyone and a source of economical unstability, and it will surely scare away foreign (and probably local) investors. If you update it very sparingly, say, once per decade, then it's very loosely tied to cost of living, which will probably have diverged away.
The other problem is that cost of living varies greatly not just at the country level, but even at city level. Here in Spain cost of living of Madrid or Barcelona is twice the cost of living in nearby towns in the same province. If minimum wage is tied to actual cost of living then calculating and managing minimum wages at city level (or even neighborhood level) is perceived (for both governments and employers) as too complicated to handle, and in any case it could make companies to flee the most expensive places to live or distort the urban planning in several other ways. For example, retail workers in Poshtown are forced to live in the edge of Slumvillage so their employers can keep their salaries low. That wouldn't affect much qualified workers, who are paid much more than minimum wage, but it could render cities severely underserviced if menial workers weren't employed there - though, we have very much the opposite problem now where people paid minimum wages can't afford to live where they work due to cost of living being too high.
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"If minimum wage is tied to actual cost of living then calculating it at city level ... is too complicated" eh, what? The US government already calculates per diem expense rates for the largest cities across the United States, including territories. See gsa.gov/travel/plan-book/per-diem-rates
– BurnsBA
yesterday
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"in any case it could make companies to flee the most expensive places to live" This isn't really true (see: London, San Francisco, New York). If perhaps you mean this will hurt minimum wage jobs, there are tradeoffs, but it isn't all dire. See for instance a recent discussion of Seattle's increase: nytimes.com/2018/10/22/business/economy/…
– BurnsBA
yesterday
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I've added some text to address both spot-on comments. ;)
– Rekesoft
yesterday
1
If companies flee the most expensive places to live that would decrease the price to live in those areas and increase it elsewhere - I'd say that is a win...
– immibis
21 hours ago
I think your last paragraph is too shortsighted. If companies moved to low cost-of-living places, the increase in jobs would cause an increase in population density and income, which would then increase cost-of-living. Similarly, the cost-of-living being more than minimum wage also isn't technically a problem on its own; people are willing to live in poverty and debt rather than move to a more rural area. If people weren't willing to do that, then companies would be economically forced to raise their wages.
– Clay07g
21 hours ago
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Danila Smirnov response covers the issue from a US point of view. Worldwide the answer is not different, though. The minimum wage is not tied to the cost of living because the laws which enacted it didn't tie the minimum wage to the cost of living, which is sort of a tautology.
There are, however reasons to not do it that way. First it's the cost of updating it. Employers need to know how much they are going to spend in wages with a certain margin of time - typically, at least a year. However, cost of living can go up quickly in cases of (hyper)inflation, housing bubbles, oil crisis, etc... If you tie the minimum wage to the cost of living you're forcing every employer in the country to update its financial state every time the cost of living is updated. If you update this value very frequently, it is quite a nightmare for everyone and a source of economical unstability, and it will surely scare away foreign (and probably local) investors. If you update it very sparingly, say, once per decade, then it's very loosely tied to cost of living, which will probably have diverged away.
The other problem is that cost of living varies greatly not just at the country level, but even at city level. Here in Spain cost of living of Madrid or Barcelona is twice the cost of living in nearby towns in the same province. If minimum wage is tied to actual cost of living then calculating and managing minimum wages at city level (or even neighborhood level) is perceived (for both governments and employers) as too complicated to handle, and in any case it could make companies to flee the most expensive places to live or distort the urban planning in several other ways. For example, retail workers in Poshtown are forced to live in the edge of Slumvillage so their employers can keep their salaries low. That wouldn't affect much qualified workers, who are paid much more than minimum wage, but it could render cities severely underserviced if menial workers weren't employed there - though, we have very much the opposite problem now where people paid minimum wages can't afford to live where they work due to cost of living being too high.
Danila Smirnov response covers the issue from a US point of view. Worldwide the answer is not different, though. The minimum wage is not tied to the cost of living because the laws which enacted it didn't tie the minimum wage to the cost of living, which is sort of a tautology.
There are, however reasons to not do it that way. First it's the cost of updating it. Employers need to know how much they are going to spend in wages with a certain margin of time - typically, at least a year. However, cost of living can go up quickly in cases of (hyper)inflation, housing bubbles, oil crisis, etc... If you tie the minimum wage to the cost of living you're forcing every employer in the country to update its financial state every time the cost of living is updated. If you update this value very frequently, it is quite a nightmare for everyone and a source of economical unstability, and it will surely scare away foreign (and probably local) investors. If you update it very sparingly, say, once per decade, then it's very loosely tied to cost of living, which will probably have diverged away.
The other problem is that cost of living varies greatly not just at the country level, but even at city level. Here in Spain cost of living of Madrid or Barcelona is twice the cost of living in nearby towns in the same province. If minimum wage is tied to actual cost of living then calculating and managing minimum wages at city level (or even neighborhood level) is perceived (for both governments and employers) as too complicated to handle, and in any case it could make companies to flee the most expensive places to live or distort the urban planning in several other ways. For example, retail workers in Poshtown are forced to live in the edge of Slumvillage so their employers can keep their salaries low. That wouldn't affect much qualified workers, who are paid much more than minimum wage, but it could render cities severely underserviced if menial workers weren't employed there - though, we have very much the opposite problem now where people paid minimum wages can't afford to live where they work due to cost of living being too high.
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"If minimum wage is tied to actual cost of living then calculating it at city level ... is too complicated" eh, what? The US government already calculates per diem expense rates for the largest cities across the United States, including territories. See gsa.gov/travel/plan-book/per-diem-rates
– BurnsBA
yesterday
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"in any case it could make companies to flee the most expensive places to live" This isn't really true (see: London, San Francisco, New York). If perhaps you mean this will hurt minimum wage jobs, there are tradeoffs, but it isn't all dire. See for instance a recent discussion of Seattle's increase: nytimes.com/2018/10/22/business/economy/…
– BurnsBA
yesterday
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I've added some text to address both spot-on comments. ;)
– Rekesoft
yesterday
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If companies flee the most expensive places to live that would decrease the price to live in those areas and increase it elsewhere - I'd say that is a win...
– immibis
21 hours ago
I think your last paragraph is too shortsighted. If companies moved to low cost-of-living places, the increase in jobs would cause an increase in population density and income, which would then increase cost-of-living. Similarly, the cost-of-living being more than minimum wage also isn't technically a problem on its own; people are willing to live in poverty and debt rather than move to a more rural area. If people weren't willing to do that, then companies would be economically forced to raise their wages.
– Clay07g
21 hours ago
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"If minimum wage is tied to actual cost of living then calculating it at city level ... is too complicated" eh, what? The US government already calculates per diem expense rates for the largest cities across the United States, including territories. See gsa.gov/travel/plan-book/per-diem-rates
– BurnsBA
yesterday
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"in any case it could make companies to flee the most expensive places to live" This isn't really true (see: London, San Francisco, New York). If perhaps you mean this will hurt minimum wage jobs, there are tradeoffs, but it isn't all dire. See for instance a recent discussion of Seattle's increase: nytimes.com/2018/10/22/business/economy/…
– BurnsBA
yesterday
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I've added some text to address both spot-on comments. ;)
– Rekesoft
yesterday
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If companies flee the most expensive places to live that would decrease the price to live in those areas and increase it elsewhere - I'd say that is a win...
– immibis
21 hours ago
I think your last paragraph is too shortsighted. If companies moved to low cost-of-living places, the increase in jobs would cause an increase in population density and income, which would then increase cost-of-living. Similarly, the cost-of-living being more than minimum wage also isn't technically a problem on its own; people are willing to live in poverty and debt rather than move to a more rural area. If people weren't willing to do that, then companies would be economically forced to raise their wages.
– Clay07g
21 hours ago
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"If minimum wage is tied to actual cost of living then calculating it at city level ... is too complicated" eh, what? The US government already calculates per diem expense rates for the largest cities across the United States, including territories. See gsa.gov/travel/plan-book/per-diem-rates
– BurnsBA
yesterday
"If minimum wage is tied to actual cost of living then calculating it at city level ... is too complicated" eh, what? The US government already calculates per diem expense rates for the largest cities across the United States, including territories. See gsa.gov/travel/plan-book/per-diem-rates
– BurnsBA
yesterday
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"in any case it could make companies to flee the most expensive places to live" This isn't really true (see: London, San Francisco, New York). If perhaps you mean this will hurt minimum wage jobs, there are tradeoffs, but it isn't all dire. See for instance a recent discussion of Seattle's increase: nytimes.com/2018/10/22/business/economy/…
– BurnsBA
yesterday
"in any case it could make companies to flee the most expensive places to live" This isn't really true (see: London, San Francisco, New York). If perhaps you mean this will hurt minimum wage jobs, there are tradeoffs, but it isn't all dire. See for instance a recent discussion of Seattle's increase: nytimes.com/2018/10/22/business/economy/…
– BurnsBA
yesterday
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I've added some text to address both spot-on comments. ;)
– Rekesoft
yesterday
I've added some text to address both spot-on comments. ;)
– Rekesoft
yesterday
1
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If companies flee the most expensive places to live that would decrease the price to live in those areas and increase it elsewhere - I'd say that is a win...
– immibis
21 hours ago
If companies flee the most expensive places to live that would decrease the price to live in those areas and increase it elsewhere - I'd say that is a win...
– immibis
21 hours ago
I think your last paragraph is too shortsighted. If companies moved to low cost-of-living places, the increase in jobs would cause an increase in population density and income, which would then increase cost-of-living. Similarly, the cost-of-living being more than minimum wage also isn't technically a problem on its own; people are willing to live in poverty and debt rather than move to a more rural area. If people weren't willing to do that, then companies would be economically forced to raise their wages.
– Clay07g
21 hours ago
I think your last paragraph is too shortsighted. If companies moved to low cost-of-living places, the increase in jobs would cause an increase in population density and income, which would then increase cost-of-living. Similarly, the cost-of-living being more than minimum wage also isn't technically a problem on its own; people are willing to live in poverty and debt rather than move to a more rural area. If people weren't willing to do that, then companies would be economically forced to raise their wages.
– Clay07g
21 hours ago
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Well, in some ways, it is.
At least in my state, municipalities can set their own minimum wage on top of the state minimum wage, and that on top of federal, allowing them to adjust maybe a bit more finely than a federal system. For example, Seattle's minimum wage for large employers is $16.00, while Washington state's is only $12.00. Seattle's minimum wage is now also pegged to inflation.
This allows areas with higher costs of living to set higher minimum wages to compensate.
Unfortunately, many states have banned municipalities from increasing their own minimum wage.
This also hews more closely to the idea of federalism, where many would argue that the massive disparity in cost of living is exactly why the federal government shouldn't be setting wages.
Just because a state or municipality is setting a minimum wage doesn't mean it is linked to cost of living.
– DJClayworth
yesterday
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@DJClayworth Well, no, not per se. But it means that areas with higher costs of living can and do often set higher minimum wages to compensate.
– Azor Ahai
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Well, in some ways, it is.
At least in my state, municipalities can set their own minimum wage on top of the state minimum wage, and that on top of federal, allowing them to adjust maybe a bit more finely than a federal system. For example, Seattle's minimum wage for large employers is $16.00, while Washington state's is only $12.00. Seattle's minimum wage is now also pegged to inflation.
This allows areas with higher costs of living to set higher minimum wages to compensate.
Unfortunately, many states have banned municipalities from increasing their own minimum wage.
This also hews more closely to the idea of federalism, where many would argue that the massive disparity in cost of living is exactly why the federal government shouldn't be setting wages.
Just because a state or municipality is setting a minimum wage doesn't mean it is linked to cost of living.
– DJClayworth
yesterday
5
@DJClayworth Well, no, not per se. But it means that areas with higher costs of living can and do often set higher minimum wages to compensate.
– Azor Ahai
yesterday
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Well, in some ways, it is.
At least in my state, municipalities can set their own minimum wage on top of the state minimum wage, and that on top of federal, allowing them to adjust maybe a bit more finely than a federal system. For example, Seattle's minimum wage for large employers is $16.00, while Washington state's is only $12.00. Seattle's minimum wage is now also pegged to inflation.
This allows areas with higher costs of living to set higher minimum wages to compensate.
Unfortunately, many states have banned municipalities from increasing their own minimum wage.
This also hews more closely to the idea of federalism, where many would argue that the massive disparity in cost of living is exactly why the federal government shouldn't be setting wages.
Well, in some ways, it is.
At least in my state, municipalities can set their own minimum wage on top of the state minimum wage, and that on top of federal, allowing them to adjust maybe a bit more finely than a federal system. For example, Seattle's minimum wage for large employers is $16.00, while Washington state's is only $12.00. Seattle's minimum wage is now also pegged to inflation.
This allows areas with higher costs of living to set higher minimum wages to compensate.
Unfortunately, many states have banned municipalities from increasing their own minimum wage.
This also hews more closely to the idea of federalism, where many would argue that the massive disparity in cost of living is exactly why the federal government shouldn't be setting wages.
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Azor AhaiAzor Ahai
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Just because a state or municipality is setting a minimum wage doesn't mean it is linked to cost of living.
– DJClayworth
yesterday
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@DJClayworth Well, no, not per se. But it means that areas with higher costs of living can and do often set higher minimum wages to compensate.
– Azor Ahai
yesterday
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Just because a state or municipality is setting a minimum wage doesn't mean it is linked to cost of living.
– DJClayworth
yesterday
5
@DJClayworth Well, no, not per se. But it means that areas with higher costs of living can and do often set higher minimum wages to compensate.
– Azor Ahai
yesterday
Just because a state or municipality is setting a minimum wage doesn't mean it is linked to cost of living.
– DJClayworth
yesterday
Just because a state or municipality is setting a minimum wage doesn't mean it is linked to cost of living.
– DJClayworth
yesterday
5
5
@DJClayworth Well, no, not per se. But it means that areas with higher costs of living can and do often set higher minimum wages to compensate.
– Azor Ahai
yesterday
@DJClayworth Well, no, not per se. But it means that areas with higher costs of living can and do often set higher minimum wages to compensate.
– Azor Ahai
yesterday
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As other answers have said, this is about what the legislators have been able to pass. Some people are opposed to minimum wage laws and some are on the fence. Making them 'index linked' (i.e. tied to cost of living) would cause more people to oppose them.
Even proponents of minimum wage laws mostly admit that there would be economic conditions under which raising minimum wages in line with inflation would be a severe problem. In times of economic recession, when wages generally are not rising, it makes little sense to raise minimum wages; similarly in times of high inflation, when price rises are outstripping wage rises, or worse still when both are occurring together - the dreaded 'stagflation'.
Rather than have to pass legislation to specifically undo the index linking under these conditions, proponents consider it better to legislate each individual increase.
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As other answers have said, this is about what the legislators have been able to pass. Some people are opposed to minimum wage laws and some are on the fence. Making them 'index linked' (i.e. tied to cost of living) would cause more people to oppose them.
Even proponents of minimum wage laws mostly admit that there would be economic conditions under which raising minimum wages in line with inflation would be a severe problem. In times of economic recession, when wages generally are not rising, it makes little sense to raise minimum wages; similarly in times of high inflation, when price rises are outstripping wage rises, or worse still when both are occurring together - the dreaded 'stagflation'.
Rather than have to pass legislation to specifically undo the index linking under these conditions, proponents consider it better to legislate each individual increase.
add a comment |
As other answers have said, this is about what the legislators have been able to pass. Some people are opposed to minimum wage laws and some are on the fence. Making them 'index linked' (i.e. tied to cost of living) would cause more people to oppose them.
Even proponents of minimum wage laws mostly admit that there would be economic conditions under which raising minimum wages in line with inflation would be a severe problem. In times of economic recession, when wages generally are not rising, it makes little sense to raise minimum wages; similarly in times of high inflation, when price rises are outstripping wage rises, or worse still when both are occurring together - the dreaded 'stagflation'.
Rather than have to pass legislation to specifically undo the index linking under these conditions, proponents consider it better to legislate each individual increase.
As other answers have said, this is about what the legislators have been able to pass. Some people are opposed to minimum wage laws and some are on the fence. Making them 'index linked' (i.e. tied to cost of living) would cause more people to oppose them.
Even proponents of minimum wage laws mostly admit that there would be economic conditions under which raising minimum wages in line with inflation would be a severe problem. In times of economic recession, when wages generally are not rising, it makes little sense to raise minimum wages; similarly in times of high inflation, when price rises are outstripping wage rises, or worse still when both are occurring together - the dreaded 'stagflation'.
Rather than have to pass legislation to specifically undo the index linking under these conditions, proponents consider it better to legislate each individual increase.
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The cost of living is usually correlated with improved living conditions (otherwise, why pay more to live there?). So if you tie the minimum wage to the cost of living, you're basically rewarding low-income people for living in a good neighbourhood. It's unclear if that's the original intention.
It would be unclear at what organizational level one would calculate the cost of living: State, city, district, house? The more detailed you go, the more effort you have to put in.
People in low-income entities might very well object to a minimum wage from which they barely profit. This would risk the idea as a whole.
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The cost of living is usually correlated with improved living conditions, citation needed, and I beg to differ. London has the highest cost of living in the UK, but people in Yorkshire or Inverness are a lot happier. The air in London is very polluted. The reason London has a high cost of living is not because of better living conditions (which is subjective), but because there are many (well paid) jobs in London, unlike Yorkshire or Inverness.
– gerrit
yesterday
Even more to the above, cost of living does not correlate with improved living conditions in times of high inflation.
– DJClayworth
yesterday
These sound like reasonable ideas, but do you have any evidence that these are the reasons used by policy makers in their decision making?
– indigochild
yesterday
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The cost of living is usually correlated with improved living conditions (otherwise, why pay more to live there?). So if you tie the minimum wage to the cost of living, you're basically rewarding low-income people for living in a good neighbourhood. It's unclear if that's the original intention.
It would be unclear at what organizational level one would calculate the cost of living: State, city, district, house? The more detailed you go, the more effort you have to put in.
People in low-income entities might very well object to a minimum wage from which they barely profit. This would risk the idea as a whole.
8
The cost of living is usually correlated with improved living conditions, citation needed, and I beg to differ. London has the highest cost of living in the UK, but people in Yorkshire or Inverness are a lot happier. The air in London is very polluted. The reason London has a high cost of living is not because of better living conditions (which is subjective), but because there are many (well paid) jobs in London, unlike Yorkshire or Inverness.
– gerrit
yesterday
Even more to the above, cost of living does not correlate with improved living conditions in times of high inflation.
– DJClayworth
yesterday
These sound like reasonable ideas, but do you have any evidence that these are the reasons used by policy makers in their decision making?
– indigochild
yesterday
add a comment |
The cost of living is usually correlated with improved living conditions (otherwise, why pay more to live there?). So if you tie the minimum wage to the cost of living, you're basically rewarding low-income people for living in a good neighbourhood. It's unclear if that's the original intention.
It would be unclear at what organizational level one would calculate the cost of living: State, city, district, house? The more detailed you go, the more effort you have to put in.
People in low-income entities might very well object to a minimum wage from which they barely profit. This would risk the idea as a whole.
The cost of living is usually correlated with improved living conditions (otherwise, why pay more to live there?). So if you tie the minimum wage to the cost of living, you're basically rewarding low-income people for living in a good neighbourhood. It's unclear if that's the original intention.
It would be unclear at what organizational level one would calculate the cost of living: State, city, district, house? The more detailed you go, the more effort you have to put in.
People in low-income entities might very well object to a minimum wage from which they barely profit. This would risk the idea as a whole.
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pytagopytago
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The cost of living is usually correlated with improved living conditions, citation needed, and I beg to differ. London has the highest cost of living in the UK, but people in Yorkshire or Inverness are a lot happier. The air in London is very polluted. The reason London has a high cost of living is not because of better living conditions (which is subjective), but because there are many (well paid) jobs in London, unlike Yorkshire or Inverness.
– gerrit
yesterday
Even more to the above, cost of living does not correlate with improved living conditions in times of high inflation.
– DJClayworth
yesterday
These sound like reasonable ideas, but do you have any evidence that these are the reasons used by policy makers in their decision making?
– indigochild
yesterday
add a comment |
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The cost of living is usually correlated with improved living conditions, citation needed, and I beg to differ. London has the highest cost of living in the UK, but people in Yorkshire or Inverness are a lot happier. The air in London is very polluted. The reason London has a high cost of living is not because of better living conditions (which is subjective), but because there are many (well paid) jobs in London, unlike Yorkshire or Inverness.
– gerrit
yesterday
Even more to the above, cost of living does not correlate with improved living conditions in times of high inflation.
– DJClayworth
yesterday
These sound like reasonable ideas, but do you have any evidence that these are the reasons used by policy makers in their decision making?
– indigochild
yesterday
8
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The cost of living is usually correlated with improved living conditions, citation needed, and I beg to differ. London has the highest cost of living in the UK, but people in Yorkshire or Inverness are a lot happier. The air in London is very polluted. The reason London has a high cost of living is not because of better living conditions (which is subjective), but because there are many (well paid) jobs in London, unlike Yorkshire or Inverness.
– gerrit
yesterday
The cost of living is usually correlated with improved living conditions, citation needed, and I beg to differ. London has the highest cost of living in the UK, but people in Yorkshire or Inverness are a lot happier. The air in London is very polluted. The reason London has a high cost of living is not because of better living conditions (which is subjective), but because there are many (well paid) jobs in London, unlike Yorkshire or Inverness.
– gerrit
yesterday
Even more to the above, cost of living does not correlate with improved living conditions in times of high inflation.
– DJClayworth
yesterday
Even more to the above, cost of living does not correlate with improved living conditions in times of high inflation.
– DJClayworth
yesterday
These sound like reasonable ideas, but do you have any evidence that these are the reasons used by policy makers in their decision making?
– indigochild
yesterday
These sound like reasonable ideas, but do you have any evidence that these are the reasons used by policy makers in their decision making?
– indigochild
yesterday
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In Australia there is an independent organisation under the Federal government who is responsible for setting Minimum wage every year.
They accept submissions from interested parties such as unions, industry, etc and set an increase to the minimum wage.
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I think this question asks primarily about the situation in the U.S.
– JJJ
16 hours ago
That doesn't answer the question "why do they set the same minimum wage across the whole of Australia, rather than higher rates in more expensive places and lower rates in cheaper ones?" (which is the question the OP asked).
– Martin Bonner
3 hours ago
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In Australia there is an independent organisation under the Federal government who is responsible for setting Minimum wage every year.
They accept submissions from interested parties such as unions, industry, etc and set an increase to the minimum wage.
New contributor
I think this question asks primarily about the situation in the U.S.
– JJJ
16 hours ago
That doesn't answer the question "why do they set the same minimum wage across the whole of Australia, rather than higher rates in more expensive places and lower rates in cheaper ones?" (which is the question the OP asked).
– Martin Bonner
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In Australia there is an independent organisation under the Federal government who is responsible for setting Minimum wage every year.
They accept submissions from interested parties such as unions, industry, etc and set an increase to the minimum wage.
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In Australia there is an independent organisation under the Federal government who is responsible for setting Minimum wage every year.
They accept submissions from interested parties such as unions, industry, etc and set an increase to the minimum wage.
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answered 17 hours ago
Mathew PaxinosMathew Paxinos
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I think this question asks primarily about the situation in the U.S.
– JJJ
16 hours ago
That doesn't answer the question "why do they set the same minimum wage across the whole of Australia, rather than higher rates in more expensive places and lower rates in cheaper ones?" (which is the question the OP asked).
– Martin Bonner
3 hours ago
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I think this question asks primarily about the situation in the U.S.
– JJJ
16 hours ago
That doesn't answer the question "why do they set the same minimum wage across the whole of Australia, rather than higher rates in more expensive places and lower rates in cheaper ones?" (which is the question the OP asked).
– Martin Bonner
3 hours ago
I think this question asks primarily about the situation in the U.S.
– JJJ
16 hours ago
I think this question asks primarily about the situation in the U.S.
– JJJ
16 hours ago
That doesn't answer the question "why do they set the same minimum wage across the whole of Australia, rather than higher rates in more expensive places and lower rates in cheaper ones?" (which is the question the OP asked).
– Martin Bonner
3 hours ago
That doesn't answer the question "why do they set the same minimum wage across the whole of Australia, rather than higher rates in more expensive places and lower rates in cheaper ones?" (which is the question the OP asked).
– Martin Bonner
3 hours ago
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They are correlated, if minimum wage goes up, the cost of living will go up, but that doesnt happen the other way around. So if you increase the minimum wage depending on how much the cost of living increased, you would have an inflation spiral (increase the minimum wage -> the cost of living goes up -> increase the minium wage -> the cost of living goes up, and so on).
That's why in most places around the world the minimum wage is NOT adjusted automatically (let's say attached to inflation index or something like that) and instead is debated.
Sorry for my english.
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They are correlated, if minimum wage goes up, the cost of living will go up, but that doesnt happen the other way around. So if you increase the minimum wage depending on how much the cost of living increased, you would have an inflation spiral (increase the minimum wage -> the cost of living goes up -> increase the minium wage -> the cost of living goes up, and so on).
That's why in most places around the world the minimum wage is NOT adjusted automatically (let's say attached to inflation index or something like that) and instead is debated.
Sorry for my english.
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They are correlated, if minimum wage goes up, the cost of living will go up, but that doesnt happen the other way around. So if you increase the minimum wage depending on how much the cost of living increased, you would have an inflation spiral (increase the minimum wage -> the cost of living goes up -> increase the minium wage -> the cost of living goes up, and so on).
That's why in most places around the world the minimum wage is NOT adjusted automatically (let's say attached to inflation index or something like that) and instead is debated.
Sorry for my english.
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They are correlated, if minimum wage goes up, the cost of living will go up, but that doesnt happen the other way around. So if you increase the minimum wage depending on how much the cost of living increased, you would have an inflation spiral (increase the minimum wage -> the cost of living goes up -> increase the minium wage -> the cost of living goes up, and so on).
That's why in most places around the world the minimum wage is NOT adjusted automatically (let's say attached to inflation index or something like that) and instead is debated.
Sorry for my english.
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answered 5 hours ago
Felipe Acuña GonzalezFelipe Acuña Gonzalez
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"Correlated" might be the wrong word to use here, because it implies that you are asking about why there is no statistical correlation between these two things, whereas the body of your question suggests that you are instead asking about why a policy hasn't been implemented to try to fix the minimum wage to follow the cost of living. I would use a more appropriate word, like "fixed," "tied," or "pinned."
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