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I am using TransformedField to convert a system of ODEs from Cartesian to polar coordinates:



TransformedField[
"Cartesian" -> "Polar",
{μ x1 - x2 - σ x1 (x1^2 + x2^2), x1 + μ x2 - σ x2 (x1^2 + x2^2)},
{x1, x2} -> {r, θ}
] // Simplify


and I get the result



{r μ - r^3 σ, r}


but I am pretty sure that the right answer should be



{r μ - r^3 σ, 1}


Where is the error?










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    I am using TransformedField to convert a system of ODEs from Cartesian to polar coordinates:



    TransformedField[
    "Cartesian" -> "Polar",
    {μ x1 - x2 - σ x1 (x1^2 + x2^2), x1 + μ x2 - σ x2 (x1^2 + x2^2)},
    {x1, x2} -> {r, θ}
    ] // Simplify


    and I get the result



    {r μ - r^3 σ, r}


    but I am pretty sure that the right answer should be



    {r μ - r^3 σ, 1}


    Where is the error?










    share|improve this question











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      I am using TransformedField to convert a system of ODEs from Cartesian to polar coordinates:



      TransformedField[
      "Cartesian" -> "Polar",
      {μ x1 - x2 - σ x1 (x1^2 + x2^2), x1 + μ x2 - σ x2 (x1^2 + x2^2)},
      {x1, x2} -> {r, θ}
      ] // Simplify


      and I get the result



      {r μ - r^3 σ, r}


      but I am pretty sure that the right answer should be



      {r μ - r^3 σ, 1}


      Where is the error?










      share|improve this question











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      I am using TransformedField to convert a system of ODEs from Cartesian to polar coordinates:



      TransformedField[
      "Cartesian" -> "Polar",
      {μ x1 - x2 - σ x1 (x1^2 + x2^2), x1 + μ x2 - σ x2 (x1^2 + x2^2)},
      {x1, x2} -> {r, θ}
      ] // Simplify


      and I get the result



      {r μ - r^3 σ, r}


      but I am pretty sure that the right answer should be



      {r μ - r^3 σ, 1}


      Where is the error?







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          We can test the built-in TransformedField by defining our own functions.




          From $x',y'$ to $r',theta'$, we derive:
          $$
          r' = left(sqrt{x^2 +y^2} right)'
          = frac{(x^2 +y^2)'}{2
          sqrt{x^2 +y^2}}=frac{xx' +yy'}{r}
          $$

          and
          $$
          theta' = left(arctan frac{y}{x} right)'
          = frac{(y/x)'}{1+(y/x)^2} = frac{y' x -x' y}{r^2}.
          $$




          First, we define



          rdot[x1_, x2_] := (x1 (μ x1 - x2 - σ x1 (x1^2 + x2^2)) + x2 (x1 + μ x2 - σ x2 (x1^2 + x2^2)))/r


          We now make the substitution and simplify



          rdot[r Cos[t], r Sin[t]] // FullSimplify


          This yields (matches Mathematica)



          $$r' = mu r-r^3 sigma$$



          We now do the same for the other



          thetadot[x1_,x2_]:=(x1 (x1+μ x2-σ x2 (x1^2+x2^2)) - x2(μ x1-x2-σ x1 (x1^2+x2^2)))/r^2


          We now make the substitution and simplify



          thetadot[r Cos[t], r Sin[t]] // FullSimplify


          This yields (does not match Mathematica - it is as though they are forgetting to divide by $r$)



          $$theta'= 1$$



          I have asked this question before on this site in two different ways and have never gotten an answer that resolves the matter, but that could just be my denseness!






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            Have you reported it to the Wolfram tech support?
            $endgroup$
            – Alexey Popkov
            3 hours ago










          • $begingroup$
            @AlexeyPopkov: I have not. I have had many issues with it when transforming between different methods. These days, I don't trust it and just create my own transformation rules to do it.
            $endgroup$
            – Moo
            3 hours ago










          • $begingroup$
            It is worth to write them about it in order to get it finally fixed. You can even write a short letter to support@wolfram.com with a link to this post.
            $endgroup$
            – Alexey Popkov
            3 hours ago












          • $begingroup$
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            $endgroup$
            – Moo
            3 hours ago



















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          Mathematica's answer is correct and consistent with your expectations, but you are not accounting for the basis of the vector field.



          TransformedField transforms a vector field between two coordinate systems and bases. In this case, it is converting from $f(x,y)hat x+g(x,y)hat y$ to the same geometrical vector field expressed as $u(r,theta)hat r + v(r,theta) hat theta$. Mathematica's answer can therefore be interpreted as saying
          $$left(μ x_1 - x_2 - σ x_1 (x_1^2 + x_2^2)right)hat x + left( x_1 + μ x_2 - σ x_2 (x_1^2 + x_2^2)right)hat y = left(r μ - r^3 σright)hat r + r hattheta$$



          Notice that the expressions $r'$ and $theta'$ don't appear anyhwere. Those are dynamical quantities, not geometrical ones (unless working in the jet bundle, but let's not go there). Also notice the hats! As stated in the documentation, TransformedField assumes inputs are in an orthonormal basis, and returns outputs in the same basis. That will be important for later on.



          Now, you are dealing with a differential equation, and based on your expected answer I'll assume what you have is a first-order system and you are transforming the associated vector field (AKA the "right-hand side"). Finding solutions means find the integral curves of the vector field. This gives as a nice relationship between the geometric variables the dynamical ones, except that this relationship is of necessity expressed in the so called coordinate basis, written $(r',theta') = a frac{partial}{partial r} + b frac{partial}{partial theta}$. So to get the answer expressed in your desired basis, we need the relationship between the coordinate and orthonormal basis vectors. As is covered in books on vector calculus (and elsewhere), the relationsip is $hat r = frac{partial}{partial r}$ and $hat theta = frac{1}{r}frac{partial}{partial theta}$. Substituting this into the answer Mathematica gave above, we get
          $$left(r μ - r^3 σright)hat r + r hattheta = left(r μ - r^3 σright) frac{partial}{partial r} + (1) frac{partial}{partial theta},$$
          which is the answer you expected.






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            $begingroup$

            We can test the built-in TransformedField by defining our own functions.




            From $x',y'$ to $r',theta'$, we derive:
            $$
            r' = left(sqrt{x^2 +y^2} right)'
            = frac{(x^2 +y^2)'}{2
            sqrt{x^2 +y^2}}=frac{xx' +yy'}{r}
            $$

            and
            $$
            theta' = left(arctan frac{y}{x} right)'
            = frac{(y/x)'}{1+(y/x)^2} = frac{y' x -x' y}{r^2}.
            $$




            First, we define



            rdot[x1_, x2_] := (x1 (μ x1 - x2 - σ x1 (x1^2 + x2^2)) + x2 (x1 + μ x2 - σ x2 (x1^2 + x2^2)))/r


            We now make the substitution and simplify



            rdot[r Cos[t], r Sin[t]] // FullSimplify


            This yields (matches Mathematica)



            $$r' = mu r-r^3 sigma$$



            We now do the same for the other



            thetadot[x1_,x2_]:=(x1 (x1+μ x2-σ x2 (x1^2+x2^2)) - x2(μ x1-x2-σ x1 (x1^2+x2^2)))/r^2


            We now make the substitution and simplify



            thetadot[r Cos[t], r Sin[t]] // FullSimplify


            This yields (does not match Mathematica - it is as though they are forgetting to divide by $r$)



            $$theta'= 1$$



            I have asked this question before on this site in two different ways and have never gotten an answer that resolves the matter, but that could just be my denseness!






            share|improve this answer











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            • 1




              $begingroup$
              Have you reported it to the Wolfram tech support?
              $endgroup$
              – Alexey Popkov
              3 hours ago










            • $begingroup$
              @AlexeyPopkov: I have not. I have had many issues with it when transforming between different methods. These days, I don't trust it and just create my own transformation rules to do it.
              $endgroup$
              – Moo
              3 hours ago










            • $begingroup$
              It is worth to write them about it in order to get it finally fixed. You can even write a short letter to support@wolfram.com with a link to this post.
              $endgroup$
              – Alexey Popkov
              3 hours ago












            • $begingroup$
              @AlexeyPopkov: I sent them an email per your suggestion.
              $endgroup$
              – Moo
              3 hours ago
















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            $begingroup$

            We can test the built-in TransformedField by defining our own functions.




            From $x',y'$ to $r',theta'$, we derive:
            $$
            r' = left(sqrt{x^2 +y^2} right)'
            = frac{(x^2 +y^2)'}{2
            sqrt{x^2 +y^2}}=frac{xx' +yy'}{r}
            $$

            and
            $$
            theta' = left(arctan frac{y}{x} right)'
            = frac{(y/x)'}{1+(y/x)^2} = frac{y' x -x' y}{r^2}.
            $$




            First, we define



            rdot[x1_, x2_] := (x1 (μ x1 - x2 - σ x1 (x1^2 + x2^2)) + x2 (x1 + μ x2 - σ x2 (x1^2 + x2^2)))/r


            We now make the substitution and simplify



            rdot[r Cos[t], r Sin[t]] // FullSimplify


            This yields (matches Mathematica)



            $$r' = mu r-r^3 sigma$$



            We now do the same for the other



            thetadot[x1_,x2_]:=(x1 (x1+μ x2-σ x2 (x1^2+x2^2)) - x2(μ x1-x2-σ x1 (x1^2+x2^2)))/r^2


            We now make the substitution and simplify



            thetadot[r Cos[t], r Sin[t]] // FullSimplify


            This yields (does not match Mathematica - it is as though they are forgetting to divide by $r$)



            $$theta'= 1$$



            I have asked this question before on this site in two different ways and have never gotten an answer that resolves the matter, but that could just be my denseness!






            share|improve this answer











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            • 1




              $begingroup$
              Have you reported it to the Wolfram tech support?
              $endgroup$
              – Alexey Popkov
              3 hours ago










            • $begingroup$
              @AlexeyPopkov: I have not. I have had many issues with it when transforming between different methods. These days, I don't trust it and just create my own transformation rules to do it.
              $endgroup$
              – Moo
              3 hours ago










            • $begingroup$
              It is worth to write them about it in order to get it finally fixed. You can even write a short letter to support@wolfram.com with a link to this post.
              $endgroup$
              – Alexey Popkov
              3 hours ago












            • $begingroup$
              @AlexeyPopkov: I sent them an email per your suggestion.
              $endgroup$
              – Moo
              3 hours ago














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            $begingroup$

            We can test the built-in TransformedField by defining our own functions.




            From $x',y'$ to $r',theta'$, we derive:
            $$
            r' = left(sqrt{x^2 +y^2} right)'
            = frac{(x^2 +y^2)'}{2
            sqrt{x^2 +y^2}}=frac{xx' +yy'}{r}
            $$

            and
            $$
            theta' = left(arctan frac{y}{x} right)'
            = frac{(y/x)'}{1+(y/x)^2} = frac{y' x -x' y}{r^2}.
            $$




            First, we define



            rdot[x1_, x2_] := (x1 (μ x1 - x2 - σ x1 (x1^2 + x2^2)) + x2 (x1 + μ x2 - σ x2 (x1^2 + x2^2)))/r


            We now make the substitution and simplify



            rdot[r Cos[t], r Sin[t]] // FullSimplify


            This yields (matches Mathematica)



            $$r' = mu r-r^3 sigma$$



            We now do the same for the other



            thetadot[x1_,x2_]:=(x1 (x1+μ x2-σ x2 (x1^2+x2^2)) - x2(μ x1-x2-σ x1 (x1^2+x2^2)))/r^2


            We now make the substitution and simplify



            thetadot[r Cos[t], r Sin[t]] // FullSimplify


            This yields (does not match Mathematica - it is as though they are forgetting to divide by $r$)



            $$theta'= 1$$



            I have asked this question before on this site in two different ways and have never gotten an answer that resolves the matter, but that could just be my denseness!






            share|improve this answer











            $endgroup$



            We can test the built-in TransformedField by defining our own functions.




            From $x',y'$ to $r',theta'$, we derive:
            $$
            r' = left(sqrt{x^2 +y^2} right)'
            = frac{(x^2 +y^2)'}{2
            sqrt{x^2 +y^2}}=frac{xx' +yy'}{r}
            $$

            and
            $$
            theta' = left(arctan frac{y}{x} right)'
            = frac{(y/x)'}{1+(y/x)^2} = frac{y' x -x' y}{r^2}.
            $$




            First, we define



            rdot[x1_, x2_] := (x1 (μ x1 - x2 - σ x1 (x1^2 + x2^2)) + x2 (x1 + μ x2 - σ x2 (x1^2 + x2^2)))/r


            We now make the substitution and simplify



            rdot[r Cos[t], r Sin[t]] // FullSimplify


            This yields (matches Mathematica)



            $$r' = mu r-r^3 sigma$$



            We now do the same for the other



            thetadot[x1_,x2_]:=(x1 (x1+μ x2-σ x2 (x1^2+x2^2)) - x2(μ x1-x2-σ x1 (x1^2+x2^2)))/r^2


            We now make the substitution and simplify



            thetadot[r Cos[t], r Sin[t]] // FullSimplify


            This yields (does not match Mathematica - it is as though they are forgetting to divide by $r$)



            $$theta'= 1$$



            I have asked this question before on this site in two different ways and have never gotten an answer that resolves the matter, but that could just be my denseness!







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            • 1




              $begingroup$
              Have you reported it to the Wolfram tech support?
              $endgroup$
              – Alexey Popkov
              3 hours ago










            • $begingroup$
              @AlexeyPopkov: I have not. I have had many issues with it when transforming between different methods. These days, I don't trust it and just create my own transformation rules to do it.
              $endgroup$
              – Moo
              3 hours ago










            • $begingroup$
              It is worth to write them about it in order to get it finally fixed. You can even write a short letter to support@wolfram.com with a link to this post.
              $endgroup$
              – Alexey Popkov
              3 hours ago












            • $begingroup$
              @AlexeyPopkov: I sent them an email per your suggestion.
              $endgroup$
              – Moo
              3 hours ago














            • 1




              $begingroup$
              Have you reported it to the Wolfram tech support?
              $endgroup$
              – Alexey Popkov
              3 hours ago










            • $begingroup$
              @AlexeyPopkov: I have not. I have had many issues with it when transforming between different methods. These days, I don't trust it and just create my own transformation rules to do it.
              $endgroup$
              – Moo
              3 hours ago










            • $begingroup$
              It is worth to write them about it in order to get it finally fixed. You can even write a short letter to support@wolfram.com with a link to this post.
              $endgroup$
              – Alexey Popkov
              3 hours ago












            • $begingroup$
              @AlexeyPopkov: I sent them an email per your suggestion.
              $endgroup$
              – Moo
              3 hours ago








            1




            1




            $begingroup$
            Have you reported it to the Wolfram tech support?
            $endgroup$
            – Alexey Popkov
            3 hours ago




            $begingroup$
            Have you reported it to the Wolfram tech support?
            $endgroup$
            – Alexey Popkov
            3 hours ago












            $begingroup$
            @AlexeyPopkov: I have not. I have had many issues with it when transforming between different methods. These days, I don't trust it and just create my own transformation rules to do it.
            $endgroup$
            – Moo
            3 hours ago




            $begingroup$
            @AlexeyPopkov: I have not. I have had many issues with it when transforming between different methods. These days, I don't trust it and just create my own transformation rules to do it.
            $endgroup$
            – Moo
            3 hours ago












            $begingroup$
            It is worth to write them about it in order to get it finally fixed. You can even write a short letter to support@wolfram.com with a link to this post.
            $endgroup$
            – Alexey Popkov
            3 hours ago






            $begingroup$
            It is worth to write them about it in order to get it finally fixed. You can even write a short letter to support@wolfram.com with a link to this post.
            $endgroup$
            – Alexey Popkov
            3 hours ago














            $begingroup$
            @AlexeyPopkov: I sent them an email per your suggestion.
            $endgroup$
            – Moo
            3 hours ago




            $begingroup$
            @AlexeyPopkov: I sent them an email per your suggestion.
            $endgroup$
            – Moo
            3 hours ago











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            Mathematica's answer is correct and consistent with your expectations, but you are not accounting for the basis of the vector field.



            TransformedField transforms a vector field between two coordinate systems and bases. In this case, it is converting from $f(x,y)hat x+g(x,y)hat y$ to the same geometrical vector field expressed as $u(r,theta)hat r + v(r,theta) hat theta$. Mathematica's answer can therefore be interpreted as saying
            $$left(μ x_1 - x_2 - σ x_1 (x_1^2 + x_2^2)right)hat x + left( x_1 + μ x_2 - σ x_2 (x_1^2 + x_2^2)right)hat y = left(r μ - r^3 σright)hat r + r hattheta$$



            Notice that the expressions $r'$ and $theta'$ don't appear anyhwere. Those are dynamical quantities, not geometrical ones (unless working in the jet bundle, but let's not go there). Also notice the hats! As stated in the documentation, TransformedField assumes inputs are in an orthonormal basis, and returns outputs in the same basis. That will be important for later on.



            Now, you are dealing with a differential equation, and based on your expected answer I'll assume what you have is a first-order system and you are transforming the associated vector field (AKA the "right-hand side"). Finding solutions means find the integral curves of the vector field. This gives as a nice relationship between the geometric variables the dynamical ones, except that this relationship is of necessity expressed in the so called coordinate basis, written $(r',theta') = a frac{partial}{partial r} + b frac{partial}{partial theta}$. So to get the answer expressed in your desired basis, we need the relationship between the coordinate and orthonormal basis vectors. As is covered in books on vector calculus (and elsewhere), the relationsip is $hat r = frac{partial}{partial r}$ and $hat theta = frac{1}{r}frac{partial}{partial theta}$. Substituting this into the answer Mathematica gave above, we get
            $$left(r μ - r^3 σright)hat r + r hattheta = left(r μ - r^3 σright) frac{partial}{partial r} + (1) frac{partial}{partial theta},$$
            which is the answer you expected.






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              Mathematica's answer is correct and consistent with your expectations, but you are not accounting for the basis of the vector field.



              TransformedField transforms a vector field between two coordinate systems and bases. In this case, it is converting from $f(x,y)hat x+g(x,y)hat y$ to the same geometrical vector field expressed as $u(r,theta)hat r + v(r,theta) hat theta$. Mathematica's answer can therefore be interpreted as saying
              $$left(μ x_1 - x_2 - σ x_1 (x_1^2 + x_2^2)right)hat x + left( x_1 + μ x_2 - σ x_2 (x_1^2 + x_2^2)right)hat y = left(r μ - r^3 σright)hat r + r hattheta$$



              Notice that the expressions $r'$ and $theta'$ don't appear anyhwere. Those are dynamical quantities, not geometrical ones (unless working in the jet bundle, but let's not go there). Also notice the hats! As stated in the documentation, TransformedField assumes inputs are in an orthonormal basis, and returns outputs in the same basis. That will be important for later on.



              Now, you are dealing with a differential equation, and based on your expected answer I'll assume what you have is a first-order system and you are transforming the associated vector field (AKA the "right-hand side"). Finding solutions means find the integral curves of the vector field. This gives as a nice relationship between the geometric variables the dynamical ones, except that this relationship is of necessity expressed in the so called coordinate basis, written $(r',theta') = a frac{partial}{partial r} + b frac{partial}{partial theta}$. So to get the answer expressed in your desired basis, we need the relationship between the coordinate and orthonormal basis vectors. As is covered in books on vector calculus (and elsewhere), the relationsip is $hat r = frac{partial}{partial r}$ and $hat theta = frac{1}{r}frac{partial}{partial theta}$. Substituting this into the answer Mathematica gave above, we get
              $$left(r μ - r^3 σright)hat r + r hattheta = left(r μ - r^3 σright) frac{partial}{partial r} + (1) frac{partial}{partial theta},$$
              which is the answer you expected.






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                $begingroup$

                Mathematica's answer is correct and consistent with your expectations, but you are not accounting for the basis of the vector field.



                TransformedField transforms a vector field between two coordinate systems and bases. In this case, it is converting from $f(x,y)hat x+g(x,y)hat y$ to the same geometrical vector field expressed as $u(r,theta)hat r + v(r,theta) hat theta$. Mathematica's answer can therefore be interpreted as saying
                $$left(μ x_1 - x_2 - σ x_1 (x_1^2 + x_2^2)right)hat x + left( x_1 + μ x_2 - σ x_2 (x_1^2 + x_2^2)right)hat y = left(r μ - r^3 σright)hat r + r hattheta$$



                Notice that the expressions $r'$ and $theta'$ don't appear anyhwere. Those are dynamical quantities, not geometrical ones (unless working in the jet bundle, but let's not go there). Also notice the hats! As stated in the documentation, TransformedField assumes inputs are in an orthonormal basis, and returns outputs in the same basis. That will be important for later on.



                Now, you are dealing with a differential equation, and based on your expected answer I'll assume what you have is a first-order system and you are transforming the associated vector field (AKA the "right-hand side"). Finding solutions means find the integral curves of the vector field. This gives as a nice relationship between the geometric variables the dynamical ones, except that this relationship is of necessity expressed in the so called coordinate basis, written $(r',theta') = a frac{partial}{partial r} + b frac{partial}{partial theta}$. So to get the answer expressed in your desired basis, we need the relationship between the coordinate and orthonormal basis vectors. As is covered in books on vector calculus (and elsewhere), the relationsip is $hat r = frac{partial}{partial r}$ and $hat theta = frac{1}{r}frac{partial}{partial theta}$. Substituting this into the answer Mathematica gave above, we get
                $$left(r μ - r^3 σright)hat r + r hattheta = left(r μ - r^3 σright) frac{partial}{partial r} + (1) frac{partial}{partial theta},$$
                which is the answer you expected.






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                Mathematica's answer is correct and consistent with your expectations, but you are not accounting for the basis of the vector field.



                TransformedField transforms a vector field between two coordinate systems and bases. In this case, it is converting from $f(x,y)hat x+g(x,y)hat y$ to the same geometrical vector field expressed as $u(r,theta)hat r + v(r,theta) hat theta$. Mathematica's answer can therefore be interpreted as saying
                $$left(μ x_1 - x_2 - σ x_1 (x_1^2 + x_2^2)right)hat x + left( x_1 + μ x_2 - σ x_2 (x_1^2 + x_2^2)right)hat y = left(r μ - r^3 σright)hat r + r hattheta$$



                Notice that the expressions $r'$ and $theta'$ don't appear anyhwere. Those are dynamical quantities, not geometrical ones (unless working in the jet bundle, but let's not go there). Also notice the hats! As stated in the documentation, TransformedField assumes inputs are in an orthonormal basis, and returns outputs in the same basis. That will be important for later on.



                Now, you are dealing with a differential equation, and based on your expected answer I'll assume what you have is a first-order system and you are transforming the associated vector field (AKA the "right-hand side"). Finding solutions means find the integral curves of the vector field. This gives as a nice relationship between the geometric variables the dynamical ones, except that this relationship is of necessity expressed in the so called coordinate basis, written $(r',theta') = a frac{partial}{partial r} + b frac{partial}{partial theta}$. So to get the answer expressed in your desired basis, we need the relationship between the coordinate and orthonormal basis vectors. As is covered in books on vector calculus (and elsewhere), the relationsip is $hat r = frac{partial}{partial r}$ and $hat theta = frac{1}{r}frac{partial}{partial theta}$. Substituting this into the answer Mathematica gave above, we get
                $$left(r μ - r^3 σright)hat r + r hattheta = left(r μ - r^3 σright) frac{partial}{partial r} + (1) frac{partial}{partial theta},$$
                which is the answer you expected.







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