One lily pad, doubling in size every day, covers a pond in 30 days. How long would it take eight lily pads to...
A lily pad sits on a pond. It doubles in size every day. It takes 30
days for it to cover the pond. If you start with 8 lily pads instead,
how many days does it take to cover the pond?
I think that the answer is $27$, but I don't really think that makes sense intuitively. I think that, intuitively, the answer should be less than $30/4$ since it is increasing at an exponential rate.
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A lily pad sits on a pond. It doubles in size every day. It takes 30
days for it to cover the pond. If you start with 8 lily pads instead,
how many days does it take to cover the pond?
I think that the answer is $27$, but I don't really think that makes sense intuitively. I think that, intuitively, the answer should be less than $30/4$ since it is increasing at an exponential rate.
sequences-and-series algebra-precalculus
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Hint: Set up an algebraic equation relating to what the word problem is saying. You should see your answer then fairly easily.
– John Omielan
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It'll take $27$ days only. Think of it like this that (for the first case) on the second day no of lily pads will become $2$, on the third day $4$ and on the fourth $8$. In your second case you start your first day at this point
– Sauhard Sharma
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Just out of curiosity, where does 30/4 come from Joseph?
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A lily pad sits on a pond. It doubles in size every day. It takes 30
days for it to cover the pond. If you start with 8 lily pads instead,
how many days does it take to cover the pond?
I think that the answer is $27$, but I don't really think that makes sense intuitively. I think that, intuitively, the answer should be less than $30/4$ since it is increasing at an exponential rate.
sequences-and-series algebra-precalculus
A lily pad sits on a pond. It doubles in size every day. It takes 30
days for it to cover the pond. If you start with 8 lily pads instead,
how many days does it take to cover the pond?
I think that the answer is $27$, but I don't really think that makes sense intuitively. I think that, intuitively, the answer should be less than $30/4$ since it is increasing at an exponential rate.
sequences-and-series algebra-precalculus
sequences-and-series algebra-precalculus
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Hint: Set up an algebraic equation relating to what the word problem is saying. You should see your answer then fairly easily.
– John Omielan
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It'll take $27$ days only. Think of it like this that (for the first case) on the second day no of lily pads will become $2$, on the third day $4$ and on the fourth $8$. In your second case you start your first day at this point
– Sauhard Sharma
22 hours ago
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Just out of curiosity, where does 30/4 come from Joseph?
– Peter
19 hours ago
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1
Hint: Set up an algebraic equation relating to what the word problem is saying. You should see your answer then fairly easily.
– John Omielan
23 hours ago
3
It'll take $27$ days only. Think of it like this that (for the first case) on the second day no of lily pads will become $2$, on the third day $4$ and on the fourth $8$. In your second case you start your first day at this point
– Sauhard Sharma
22 hours ago
6
Just out of curiosity, where does 30/4 come from Joseph?
– Peter
19 hours ago
1
1
Hint: Set up an algebraic equation relating to what the word problem is saying. You should see your answer then fairly easily.
– John Omielan
23 hours ago
Hint: Set up an algebraic equation relating to what the word problem is saying. You should see your answer then fairly easily.
– John Omielan
23 hours ago
3
3
It'll take $27$ days only. Think of it like this that (for the first case) on the second day no of lily pads will become $2$, on the third day $4$ and on the fourth $8$. In your second case you start your first day at this point
– Sauhard Sharma
22 hours ago
It'll take $27$ days only. Think of it like this that (for the first case) on the second day no of lily pads will become $2$, on the third day $4$ and on the fourth $8$. In your second case you start your first day at this point
– Sauhard Sharma
22 hours ago
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6
Just out of curiosity, where does 30/4 come from Joseph?
– Peter
19 hours ago
Just out of curiosity, where does 30/4 come from Joseph?
– Peter
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Starting with 8 pcs. is like 3 days have gone by. So 27 days remain.
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Hint $#1$:
At the end of the $30$ days with one lilypad, the doubling means that the lilypad now encompasses the area of $2^{30}$ of the original lilypads.
In that light, starting with $2^3 = 8$ lilypads and each one doubling in size per day, how many doublings will it take for you to get to $2^{30}$?
(I know you've already solved this, I just think rewording/reframing the question might make it a bit easier to grasp on the intuitive level.)
Hint $#2$:
If that doesn't help ease your intuition behind your answer (which to my understanding is correct), keep in mind that starting with $8$ lilypads is basically no different than your first scenario after $3$ days. Sure, you have more lilypads, but since each doubles in size, it's no different than one lilypad of the same size as those $8$ put together then doubling. The number of lilypads differs, but we're focused on the total area encompassed.
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Your answer is correct
If we denote the size of the lily pad by $x$, then after $1$ day, the coverage becomes $2x$ , . . . Also let's denote the size of pond by $y$. The assumptions imposes that:$$2^{30}xge y$$and $$2^{29}x<y$$Now starting with $8$ lily pads we obtain $$2^{27}cdot 8xge y$$and$$2^{26}cdot 8x< y$$which shows that the completion of the process takes long as much as $27$ days.
The intuition is that:
If we start with $1$ lily pad, after $3$ days we will have $8$ of them since the size of lily pads doubles each day. Starting with $8$ lily pads in first place and observing their growth is equivalent to observe the growth of $1$ lily pad during the days skipping the first $3$ days. If whole the process takes long $30$ days, then or modified process takes long $30-3=27$ days which is totaly intuitive.
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$27$ is the right answer. Consider at which point the original lily pad is 8 times its original size (after three days), and how long it takes it to cover the lake from there.
Also, this relative "indifference" to a seemingly large disparity in starting point ("$x$ times more to start with means it takes $30-y$ days rather than $30/y$") is exactly what exponential growth means.
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I think that, intuitively, the answer should be less than $30/4$ since it is increasing at an exponential rate.
Lily pad doubles in size every day, so it is increasing as a geometric progression.
$$begin{array}{c|c|c|c|c|c|c|c|c}
text{n-th day}&1&2&3&4&cdots&26&27&28&29&30\
hline
text{size of $1$ lily pad}&1&2&2^2&2^3&cdots&2^{25}&2^{26}&2^{27}&2^{28}&color{red}{2^{29}} end{array}$$
If you start with $8$ lily pads, each doubling on its own, then:
$$begin{array}{c|c|c|c|c|c|c|c|c}
text{n-th day}&1&2&3&4&cdots&26&27&28&29&30\
hline
text{size of $8$ lily pads}&2^3&2^4&2^5&2^6&cdots&2^{28}&color{red}{2^{29}}&2^{30}&2^{31}&2^{32} end{array}$$
Because when each of $8$ lily pads keeps doubling per day, the $8$ lily pads increase $8$ times faster in size altogether than that of one lily pad. So, you must multiply the size of one lily pad on any day by $8=2^3$ to find the total size of $8$ lily pads.
As this source informs, the Giant Water Lily may grow as large as $8$ to $9$ feet ($2.4-2.7$m) in diameter.
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Starting with 8 pcs. is like 3 days have gone by. So 27 days remain.
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Starting with 8 pcs. is like 3 days have gone by. So 27 days remain.
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Starting with 8 pcs. is like 3 days have gone by. So 27 days remain.
Starting with 8 pcs. is like 3 days have gone by. So 27 days remain.
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Hint $#1$:
At the end of the $30$ days with one lilypad, the doubling means that the lilypad now encompasses the area of $2^{30}$ of the original lilypads.
In that light, starting with $2^3 = 8$ lilypads and each one doubling in size per day, how many doublings will it take for you to get to $2^{30}$?
(I know you've already solved this, I just think rewording/reframing the question might make it a bit easier to grasp on the intuitive level.)
Hint $#2$:
If that doesn't help ease your intuition behind your answer (which to my understanding is correct), keep in mind that starting with $8$ lilypads is basically no different than your first scenario after $3$ days. Sure, you have more lilypads, but since each doubles in size, it's no different than one lilypad of the same size as those $8$ put together then doubling. The number of lilypads differs, but we're focused on the total area encompassed.
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Hint $#1$:
At the end of the $30$ days with one lilypad, the doubling means that the lilypad now encompasses the area of $2^{30}$ of the original lilypads.
In that light, starting with $2^3 = 8$ lilypads and each one doubling in size per day, how many doublings will it take for you to get to $2^{30}$?
(I know you've already solved this, I just think rewording/reframing the question might make it a bit easier to grasp on the intuitive level.)
Hint $#2$:
If that doesn't help ease your intuition behind your answer (which to my understanding is correct), keep in mind that starting with $8$ lilypads is basically no different than your first scenario after $3$ days. Sure, you have more lilypads, but since each doubles in size, it's no different than one lilypad of the same size as those $8$ put together then doubling. The number of lilypads differs, but we're focused on the total area encompassed.
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Hint $#1$:
At the end of the $30$ days with one lilypad, the doubling means that the lilypad now encompasses the area of $2^{30}$ of the original lilypads.
In that light, starting with $2^3 = 8$ lilypads and each one doubling in size per day, how many doublings will it take for you to get to $2^{30}$?
(I know you've already solved this, I just think rewording/reframing the question might make it a bit easier to grasp on the intuitive level.)
Hint $#2$:
If that doesn't help ease your intuition behind your answer (which to my understanding is correct), keep in mind that starting with $8$ lilypads is basically no different than your first scenario after $3$ days. Sure, you have more lilypads, but since each doubles in size, it's no different than one lilypad of the same size as those $8$ put together then doubling. The number of lilypads differs, but we're focused on the total area encompassed.
Hint $#1$:
At the end of the $30$ days with one lilypad, the doubling means that the lilypad now encompasses the area of $2^{30}$ of the original lilypads.
In that light, starting with $2^3 = 8$ lilypads and each one doubling in size per day, how many doublings will it take for you to get to $2^{30}$?
(I know you've already solved this, I just think rewording/reframing the question might make it a bit easier to grasp on the intuitive level.)
Hint $#2$:
If that doesn't help ease your intuition behind your answer (which to my understanding is correct), keep in mind that starting with $8$ lilypads is basically no different than your first scenario after $3$ days. Sure, you have more lilypads, but since each doubles in size, it's no different than one lilypad of the same size as those $8$ put together then doubling. The number of lilypads differs, but we're focused on the total area encompassed.
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Your answer is correct
If we denote the size of the lily pad by $x$, then after $1$ day, the coverage becomes $2x$ , . . . Also let's denote the size of pond by $y$. The assumptions imposes that:$$2^{30}xge y$$and $$2^{29}x<y$$Now starting with $8$ lily pads we obtain $$2^{27}cdot 8xge y$$and$$2^{26}cdot 8x< y$$which shows that the completion of the process takes long as much as $27$ days.
The intuition is that:
If we start with $1$ lily pad, after $3$ days we will have $8$ of them since the size of lily pads doubles each day. Starting with $8$ lily pads in first place and observing their growth is equivalent to observe the growth of $1$ lily pad during the days skipping the first $3$ days. If whole the process takes long $30$ days, then or modified process takes long $30-3=27$ days which is totaly intuitive.
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Your answer is correct
If we denote the size of the lily pad by $x$, then after $1$ day, the coverage becomes $2x$ , . . . Also let's denote the size of pond by $y$. The assumptions imposes that:$$2^{30}xge y$$and $$2^{29}x<y$$Now starting with $8$ lily pads we obtain $$2^{27}cdot 8xge y$$and$$2^{26}cdot 8x< y$$which shows that the completion of the process takes long as much as $27$ days.
The intuition is that:
If we start with $1$ lily pad, after $3$ days we will have $8$ of them since the size of lily pads doubles each day. Starting with $8$ lily pads in first place and observing their growth is equivalent to observe the growth of $1$ lily pad during the days skipping the first $3$ days. If whole the process takes long $30$ days, then or modified process takes long $30-3=27$ days which is totaly intuitive.
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Your answer is correct
If we denote the size of the lily pad by $x$, then after $1$ day, the coverage becomes $2x$ , . . . Also let's denote the size of pond by $y$. The assumptions imposes that:$$2^{30}xge y$$and $$2^{29}x<y$$Now starting with $8$ lily pads we obtain $$2^{27}cdot 8xge y$$and$$2^{26}cdot 8x< y$$which shows that the completion of the process takes long as much as $27$ days.
The intuition is that:
If we start with $1$ lily pad, after $3$ days we will have $8$ of them since the size of lily pads doubles each day. Starting with $8$ lily pads in first place and observing their growth is equivalent to observe the growth of $1$ lily pad during the days skipping the first $3$ days. If whole the process takes long $30$ days, then or modified process takes long $30-3=27$ days which is totaly intuitive.
Your answer is correct
If we denote the size of the lily pad by $x$, then after $1$ day, the coverage becomes $2x$ , . . . Also let's denote the size of pond by $y$. The assumptions imposes that:$$2^{30}xge y$$and $$2^{29}x<y$$Now starting with $8$ lily pads we obtain $$2^{27}cdot 8xge y$$and$$2^{26}cdot 8x< y$$which shows that the completion of the process takes long as much as $27$ days.
The intuition is that:
If we start with $1$ lily pad, after $3$ days we will have $8$ of them since the size of lily pads doubles each day. Starting with $8$ lily pads in first place and observing their growth is equivalent to observe the growth of $1$ lily pad during the days skipping the first $3$ days. If whole the process takes long $30$ days, then or modified process takes long $30-3=27$ days which is totaly intuitive.
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$27$ is the right answer. Consider at which point the original lily pad is 8 times its original size (after three days), and how long it takes it to cover the lake from there.
Also, this relative "indifference" to a seemingly large disparity in starting point ("$x$ times more to start with means it takes $30-y$ days rather than $30/y$") is exactly what exponential growth means.
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$27$ is the right answer. Consider at which point the original lily pad is 8 times its original size (after three days), and how long it takes it to cover the lake from there.
Also, this relative "indifference" to a seemingly large disparity in starting point ("$x$ times more to start with means it takes $30-y$ days rather than $30/y$") is exactly what exponential growth means.
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$27$ is the right answer. Consider at which point the original lily pad is 8 times its original size (after three days), and how long it takes it to cover the lake from there.
Also, this relative "indifference" to a seemingly large disparity in starting point ("$x$ times more to start with means it takes $30-y$ days rather than $30/y$") is exactly what exponential growth means.
$27$ is the right answer. Consider at which point the original lily pad is 8 times its original size (after three days), and how long it takes it to cover the lake from there.
Also, this relative "indifference" to a seemingly large disparity in starting point ("$x$ times more to start with means it takes $30-y$ days rather than $30/y$") is exactly what exponential growth means.
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I think that, intuitively, the answer should be less than $30/4$ since it is increasing at an exponential rate.
Lily pad doubles in size every day, so it is increasing as a geometric progression.
$$begin{array}{c|c|c|c|c|c|c|c|c}
text{n-th day}&1&2&3&4&cdots&26&27&28&29&30\
hline
text{size of $1$ lily pad}&1&2&2^2&2^3&cdots&2^{25}&2^{26}&2^{27}&2^{28}&color{red}{2^{29}} end{array}$$
If you start with $8$ lily pads, each doubling on its own, then:
$$begin{array}{c|c|c|c|c|c|c|c|c}
text{n-th day}&1&2&3&4&cdots&26&27&28&29&30\
hline
text{size of $8$ lily pads}&2^3&2^4&2^5&2^6&cdots&2^{28}&color{red}{2^{29}}&2^{30}&2^{31}&2^{32} end{array}$$
Because when each of $8$ lily pads keeps doubling per day, the $8$ lily pads increase $8$ times faster in size altogether than that of one lily pad. So, you must multiply the size of one lily pad on any day by $8=2^3$ to find the total size of $8$ lily pads.
As this source informs, the Giant Water Lily may grow as large as $8$ to $9$ feet ($2.4-2.7$m) in diameter.
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I think that, intuitively, the answer should be less than $30/4$ since it is increasing at an exponential rate.
Lily pad doubles in size every day, so it is increasing as a geometric progression.
$$begin{array}{c|c|c|c|c|c|c|c|c}
text{n-th day}&1&2&3&4&cdots&26&27&28&29&30\
hline
text{size of $1$ lily pad}&1&2&2^2&2^3&cdots&2^{25}&2^{26}&2^{27}&2^{28}&color{red}{2^{29}} end{array}$$
If you start with $8$ lily pads, each doubling on its own, then:
$$begin{array}{c|c|c|c|c|c|c|c|c}
text{n-th day}&1&2&3&4&cdots&26&27&28&29&30\
hline
text{size of $8$ lily pads}&2^3&2^4&2^5&2^6&cdots&2^{28}&color{red}{2^{29}}&2^{30}&2^{31}&2^{32} end{array}$$
Because when each of $8$ lily pads keeps doubling per day, the $8$ lily pads increase $8$ times faster in size altogether than that of one lily pad. So, you must multiply the size of one lily pad on any day by $8=2^3$ to find the total size of $8$ lily pads.
As this source informs, the Giant Water Lily may grow as large as $8$ to $9$ feet ($2.4-2.7$m) in diameter.
add a comment |
I think that, intuitively, the answer should be less than $30/4$ since it is increasing at an exponential rate.
Lily pad doubles in size every day, so it is increasing as a geometric progression.
$$begin{array}{c|c|c|c|c|c|c|c|c}
text{n-th day}&1&2&3&4&cdots&26&27&28&29&30\
hline
text{size of $1$ lily pad}&1&2&2^2&2^3&cdots&2^{25}&2^{26}&2^{27}&2^{28}&color{red}{2^{29}} end{array}$$
If you start with $8$ lily pads, each doubling on its own, then:
$$begin{array}{c|c|c|c|c|c|c|c|c}
text{n-th day}&1&2&3&4&cdots&26&27&28&29&30\
hline
text{size of $8$ lily pads}&2^3&2^4&2^5&2^6&cdots&2^{28}&color{red}{2^{29}}&2^{30}&2^{31}&2^{32} end{array}$$
Because when each of $8$ lily pads keeps doubling per day, the $8$ lily pads increase $8$ times faster in size altogether than that of one lily pad. So, you must multiply the size of one lily pad on any day by $8=2^3$ to find the total size of $8$ lily pads.
As this source informs, the Giant Water Lily may grow as large as $8$ to $9$ feet ($2.4-2.7$m) in diameter.
I think that, intuitively, the answer should be less than $30/4$ since it is increasing at an exponential rate.
Lily pad doubles in size every day, so it is increasing as a geometric progression.
$$begin{array}{c|c|c|c|c|c|c|c|c}
text{n-th day}&1&2&3&4&cdots&26&27&28&29&30\
hline
text{size of $1$ lily pad}&1&2&2^2&2^3&cdots&2^{25}&2^{26}&2^{27}&2^{28}&color{red}{2^{29}} end{array}$$
If you start with $8$ lily pads, each doubling on its own, then:
$$begin{array}{c|c|c|c|c|c|c|c|c}
text{n-th day}&1&2&3&4&cdots&26&27&28&29&30\
hline
text{size of $8$ lily pads}&2^3&2^4&2^5&2^6&cdots&2^{28}&color{red}{2^{29}}&2^{30}&2^{31}&2^{32} end{array}$$
Because when each of $8$ lily pads keeps doubling per day, the $8$ lily pads increase $8$ times faster in size altogether than that of one lily pad. So, you must multiply the size of one lily pad on any day by $8=2^3$ to find the total size of $8$ lily pads.
As this source informs, the Giant Water Lily may grow as large as $8$ to $9$ feet ($2.4-2.7$m) in diameter.
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Hint: Set up an algebraic equation relating to what the word problem is saying. You should see your answer then fairly easily.
– John Omielan
23 hours ago
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It'll take $27$ days only. Think of it like this that (for the first case) on the second day no of lily pads will become $2$, on the third day $4$ and on the fourth $8$. In your second case you start your first day at this point
– Sauhard Sharma
22 hours ago
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Just out of curiosity, where does 30/4 come from Joseph?
– Peter
19 hours ago